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Tonight, I'm overthinking idioms.
"I trust him about as far as I can throw him."
As an #ActuallyAutistic person, this one baffled me. What does your ability to throw them have to do with their trustworthiness? After awhile, I just accepted that these things don't always make much sense, but the idea behind them is what's important.
Well tonight I'm here to propose (unseriously) that there is infact a deeper meaning!
"I trust him about as far as I can throw him," means you don't trust him. But, if taken literally, if you could throw him pretty far, then you'd trust him, right?
If you're a manipulative or controlling person, then your ability to move someone else around a given space is important to you. As someone with a background in horse training, I can tell you that the one who yields or moves out of the way is submissive to the one pushing. This may seem obvious, but it's important in small interactions, not just big, sweeping gestures. If someone looks like they might be trying to move past you, and you scooch out of their way to let them, you are submitting to them. In a reasonable society, that's called "working together" and "being polite". In a herd hierarchy, or a manipulative relationship, it's about someone taking your space, and it'll be performed multiple times just to enforce the hierarchy.
(I want to make it clear that this has nothing to do with D/s relationships and dynamics. That is a very specific niche, and has nothing to do with these ramblings.)
Back to the idiom. If you're a controlling person, and you can't control someone else's movements, because they're too stubborn, or can fend you off, or you're not strong enough, then you're not likely to want much to do with them. You can't trust them, because they're not in your control.
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That's a fascinating take on the idiom @emilie_stims
May I add that it's almost impossible to create physical distance by throwing a human being of similar stature.
For years I practiced a combat sport that involves high throws. While it's easily possible to throw an opponent several feet beyond their initial position, the nature of generating momentum for such a throw mean that the "thrower" will inevitably land themselves in close proximity of the person being thrown.
:) I like overthinking idioms.
For me, this one is about labour. Throwing someone is not a cooperative act. They might submit, but they can't really help.
So, as much as I am prepared and willing to take on the monumental expenditure of energy, this person is trustworthy.
And also, what would be the point?
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ooh that's an interesting take, I never thought of it like that. I always took it as, kind of sarcastic? Similar to a lot of "southernisms". "He couldn't pour water out of a boot with instructions on the heel" isn't literal, it's meant to convey his stupidity with an imaginary scenario. It's funny how the same phrase can be understood in so many ways 😂
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A new instance and a new introduction.
I joined Mastodon in Nov. 2022. I was not of the twitter wave. This was in fact my first ever social media site I ever joined and still the only one that I'm on. It was simply a step on my autism awareness journey and a reaching out to others like me. I cannot express how much I've learnt and grown as a consequence and how much I value this place and all those I have met within it.
For the purpose of clarity and should anyone want to know. I am self-diagnosed and quite content to remain that way. I also hate the term self-diagnosed and much prefer self-realised. For this is a far more accurate and precise way of describing the process of discovery that I went through. Because no one wakes up one morning and just decides that they are autistic. It takes months, or even years in my case, to be able to convince ourselves, often against our own desires and judgement, that we are.
Diagnosis also implies that this is a medical condition and that what I am doing by self-diagnosing is essentially playing doctor, when only an official diagnosis can reveal that truth. Just like it does with most things medical. But autism, at its core, is a neurological difference not a disorder (although some of the things that can come with it most certainly are) and whilst at the moment it is diagnosable, so was being a homosexual once.
Because the harsh truth is that anything that is different from, will almost always be recognised only as a deviation from and a fault with, until it is properly understood and in my own small way, this is what I'm trying to do and to help others to do.
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My sister Chelsie is struggling emotionally with potty training her kid, so I edited a popular meme to be more relevant.
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our eldest took to using the potty relatively well (heavy emphasis on relatively). Which naturally means our second is going to be an absolute nightmare right?
That's how everything else has gone.
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Maybe I should pin a post or add it to the description or something that I'm Jewish Anti-Zionist and don't tolerate the bullshit "criticism of Israel's war crimes is antisemitism" narrative...
Yeah... I think I'm going to add that to the description, because if someone is going to defederate because they think the Israeli government is synonymous with the entire Jewish people, or think they can just conveniently ignore war crimes and colonialism because people on the other side have also done bad things...
Hell, I'll even tag myself in #fediblock if people want to take the trash out for me.
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Oh wait, already did... maybe I need to make it more prevalent?
(Edited as based on a reply it was far too easily misread. Previously said "Admin is a Jew" and it never dawned on me that someone could think it meant the admin of the zionist server rather than myself)
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i mean this is literally just saying the quiet part out loud isn't it. "blocking this server because the admin is a Jew... err, a Zionist."
amazing that they then have the gall to put a little asterisk next to racism and explain that they don't tolerate dogwhistles. apparently foghorns are okay though.
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Not a Zionist, but fairly sure Zionists also acknowledge that Israel has committed lots of war crimes and atrocities.
Obviously your server your rules, but I have found no matter how strenuously you tell people otherwise, people will label you a Zionist as soon as they find your views on Israel politically inconvenient.
I just feel that the people who most need to see that don't read bios and pinned posts.
@raf 🟣 I mean I'm not taking the angle of "don't you dare call me a zionist" but rather that from my side of things modern zionism, especially in the US equates to a fervent belief that Israel is synonymous with Judaism and any criticism of Israel is antisemitic.
This kicked off especially from the fediblock post in which someone was rallying against the EndAntisemitism account for it's labeling of any criticism of Israel's military action in Gaza as antisemitic and the ensuing accusations.
While I think the fediblock post was poorly handled, I do agree with the fundamentals underneath that it's not remotely acceptable to label criticism of the Israeli government to be inherently antisemitic.
Mostly, I'm just cranky and ranting. I'm not worried about being called a Zionist at any point... only time it can maybe happen with my views is if I'm talking to someone who is advocating the immediate abrupt abolition of the country.
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As the person who operates the EndAntisemitism account, I feel what it does and how it operates was grossly mischaracterised.
I literally label every post with why I think it's antisemitism. NONE of the reasons are about the military actions taken by the IDF. I stress repeatedly that if a reader disagrees with the report, they can just ignore it.
I criticise the Israeli govt regularly both publicly and privately. But the idea that no criticism of the Israeli government can be antisemitic is absurd and nonsensical.
We used to be mufos so I feel you should have some sense of where I stand on all this bullshit. We live in a world where Ilan Pappe and Norm Finkelstein have both been called Zionists. No one is immune from being called a Zionist and harassed shortly afterwards.
@raf 🟣 Mufos?
Since you're the one running the account I do think it's lacking in detail on those particular callouts then.
To be clear, I've only blocked one person in all of this and that was only a personal block rather than a server block.
I will admit to unfollowing you but there's no spite, we're just somewhat different in values there (ie. we draw the line in different places) and it's less about who you are as a person and really just more about what shows up in my feed (ie. posts you comment on, etc where too much of what was showing up in my feed related to your activity is just on the other side of the line from me)
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To be clear, you don't have to justify unfollowing. I'm just more saying we are likely not all the different.
I only have 500 characters on that account and the label set is restricted. So there is some shorthand. When I say "Holocaust inversion" I mean comparing what some Jews are doing to the Holocaust. When I say "Nazi inversion" I mean comparing Jews to Nazis.
Some people don't think that constitutes antisemitism. Some do. I'd like to think people can talk about the atrocities in Gaza without mentioning Hitler and Auschwitz, mostly because the vast majority of people on the network do just that.
I am constantly refining and raising my standards, and I already put in way more effort into each of my reports than most Fediblocks I've seen.
You say those callouts, but Ned did not point to a single callout. And ignored all requests made of him to link directly to a single problematic one.
@raf 🟣 Perhaps in the the description of your account make a note along the lines of "if it's a disputed topic, we err on the side of reporting so that you can make the decision yourself"
I think that clears the air alot
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This goes out to the other #trans people in the Fediverse, let's destroy the myth that "you're too old" to start transitioning later in life. I started hormones when I was 35 and my changes have been amazing..
..how old were YOU when you started your transition or HRT?
Please boost for visibility :)
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Had a really long night at a charity LARP event I was invited to, I thought I felt slightly pretty for a moment in the last one picture I shared... But after last night I felt much much more happy and sure of myself.
Edit: alt-text provided by @Janet Logan 🏳️⚧️
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Alt text: "Very cute selfie of a smiling trans woman in a fabulous black top with white trim."
I love your smile. 💜
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@Janet Logan 🏳️⚧️ mpbvasmik;lfdbl;kjsdfgl;jkfdgsgkjl...
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"would you rather have a dead child or a live transitioned child?" isn't a proposition, a threat, or emotional blackmail - it's fucking reality. the act of denying gender-affirming care to trans youth amounts to a literal, active genocide.
if you don't support trans children's, teens', and young adults' ability to transition, then you're a genocide apologist.
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in a way, my generation was lucky. sure, we lived through ace ventura, jerry springer, and all sorts of other media that continually told us that we were disgusting sexual perverts. yes, we lived through gay jokes on the playground and insinuations that any gender nonconformity we took part in was deviant.
but when people spoke about us, it was through stray quips and derogatory comments - not our being very publicly, outspokenly labeled a social plague at the very highest levels of government.
I can't imagine what people like me are going through right now - how sad, fearful, and depressed they must feel.
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It seems a little odd they're still using twitter.com as their primary domain.
You have to imagine multiple teams at the company have spent the past half year trying to figure out how to ensure all their infrastructure won't explode if they started redirecting twitter.com to x.com rather than the reverse.
Wait, they did what the what now?
Substring match on the end?
Bwahahaha... Oh, you are serious.
Because they bring me such joy, I will share with you all the software testing videos I share with my Software Design and Development students.
Video 1/3: “We don’t need user testing! We already know our users”
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Video 3/3 (I feel this one •deeply•, to the bone):
“Developer watching QA test the product”
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We’ve all been her.
I told the students, “If your user test doesn’t make you feel like that sometimes, you’re either not testing soon enough or not testing hard enough.”
I once had a student say (I think of the second one? I forget) that they didn’t really understand the terminology from the reading until they watched the video.
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Hi fedi! I'm looking for a new job in Germany
I have:
- ~6 years of Rust experience
- ~6 years of running and maintaining Linux systems and server infrastructure
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- A good amount of experience with Python, Java and Typescript
I speak fluent English (C2 level), Russian and Ukrainian natively, and a bit of German (A2, still learning)
I'm looking for:
- 30-40h/week
- remote work preferred, but hybrid within ~100km of Karlsruhe or fully on-site in/near Karlsruhe works too.
My CV is available here: technogothic.net/cv.pdf
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Canonical and Mattermost also offer full remote jobs
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Some background to my assertion: reading skills in America are way down from what they should be, the schools suck. Even the people older than me, I've met folks who just cannot read, or can't read fast enough for it to be very helpful. And I was surprised to learn that very few jobs test for reading skills before hiring. I suppose they just assume that everyone can read. I did too until recently. I thought illiteracy was a thing of the past, maybe something my grandparents had to deal with but definitely not anything more recent.
Okay so here's my assertion: I think if more jobs required testing of reading skills before being hired, there would be a near immediate epidemic of unemployment. Because of that, I think public schools would need to better themselves to prepare the future workforce. There's nothing the government values more than a working population, and preferably an uneducated one. But if nobody is getting jobs because of a lack of basic education, something will have to be done about it.
Or the supreme Court will ban the testing of reading skills. Probably that.
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Here's a fun AI story: a security researcher noticed that large companies' AI-authored source-code repeatedly referenced a nonexistent library (an AI "hallucination"), so he created a (defanged) malicious library with that name and uploaded it, and thousands of developers automatically downloaded and incorporated it as they compiled the code:
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AI hallucinates software packages and devs download them – even if potentially poisoned with malware
Simply look out for libraries imagined by ML and make them real, with actual malicious code. No wait, don't do thatThomas Claburn (The Register)
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If you'd like an essay-formatted version of this thread to read or share, here's a link to it on pluralistic.net, my surveillance-free, ad-free, tracker-free blog:
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These "hallucinations" are a stubbornly persistent feature of large language models, because these models only give the illusion of understanding; in reality, they are just sophisticated forms of autocomplete, drawing on huge databases to make shrewd (but reliably fallible) guesses about which word comes next:
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Guessing the next word without understanding the meaning of the resulting sentence makes unsupervised LLMs unsuitable for high-stakes tasks. The whole AI bubble is based on convincing investors that one or more of the following is true:
I. There are low-stakes, high-value tasks that will recoup the massive costs of AI training and operation;
II. There are high-stakes, high-value tasks that can be made cheaper by adding an AI to a human operator;
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III. Adding more training data to an AI will make it stop hallucinating, so that it can take over high-stakes, high-value tasks without a "human in the loop."
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These are dubious propositions. There's a universe of low-stakes, low-value tasks - political disinformation, spam, fraud, academic cheating, nonconsensual porn, dialog for video-game NPCs - but none of them seem likely to generate enough revenue for AI companies to justify the billions spent on models, nor the trillions in valuation attributed to AI companies:
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Cory Doctorow: What Kind of Bubble is AI?
Of course AI is a bubble. It has all the hallmarks of a classic tech bubble. Pick up a rental car at SFO and drive in either direction on the 101 – north to San Francisco, south to Palo Alto – and …Locus Online
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The proposition that increasing training data will decrease hallucinations is hotly contested among AI practitioners. I confess that I don't know enough about AI to evaluate opposing sides' claims, but even if you stipulate that adding lots of human-generated training data will make the software a better guesser, there's a serious problem.
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All those low-value, low-stakes applications are flooding the internet with botshit. After all, the one thing AI is unarguably *very* good at is producing bullshit at scale. As the web becomes an anaerobic lagoon for botshit, the quantum of human-generated "content" in any internet core sample is dwindling to homeopathic levels:
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This means that adding another order of magnitude more training data to AI won't just add massive computational expense - the data will be many orders of magnitude more expensive to acquire, even without factoring in the additional liability arising from new legal theories about scraping:
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That leaves us with "humans in the loop" - the idea that an AI's business model is selling software to businesses that will pair it with human operators who will closely scrutinize the code's guesses. There's a version of this that sounds plausible - the one in which the human operator is in charge, and the AI acts as an eternally vigilant "sanity check" on the human's activities.
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For example, my car has a system that notices when I activate my blinker while there's another car in my blind-spot. I'm pretty consistent about checking my blind spot, but I'm also a fallible human and there've been a couple times where the alert saved me from making a potentially dangerous maneuver. As disciplined as I am, I'm also sometimes forgetful about turning off lights, or waking up in time for work, or remembering someone's phone number (or birthday).
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I like having an automated system that does the robotically perfect trick of never forgetting something important.
There's a name for this in automation circles: a "centaur." I'm the human head, and I've fused with a powerful robot body that supports me, doing things that humans are innately bad at.
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That's the good kind of automation, and we all benefit from it. But it only takes a small twist to turn this good automation into a *nightmare*. I'm speaking here of the *reverse-centaur*: automation in which the computer is in charge, bossing a human around so it can get its job done.
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Think of Amazon warehouse workers, who wear haptic bracelets and are continuously observed by AI cameras as autonomous shelves shuttle in front of them and demand that they pick and pack items at a pace that destroys their bodies and drives them mad:
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Automation centaurs are great: they relieve humans of drudgework and let them focus on the creative and satisfying parts of their jobs.
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That's how AI-assisted coding is pitched: rather than looking up tricky syntax and other tedious programming tasks, an AI "co-pilot" is billed as freeing up its human "pilot" to focus on the creative puzzle-solving that makes coding so satisfying.
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But an hallucinating AI is a *terrible* co-pilot. It's just good enough to get the job done much of the time, but it also sneakily inserts booby-traps that are statistically *guaranteed* to look as plausible as the *good* code (that's what a next-word-guessing program does: guesses the statistically most likely word).
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This turns AI-"assisted" coders into *reverse* centaurs. The AI can churn out code at superhuman speed, and you, the human in the loop, must maintain perfect vigilance and attention as you review that code, spotting the cleverly disguised hooks for malicious code that the AI can't be prevented from inserting into its code. As "Lena" writes, "code review [is] difficult relative to writing new code":
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Why is that? "Passively reading someone else's code just doesn't engage my brain in the same way. It's harder to do properly":
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There's a name for this phenomenon: "automation blindness." Humans are just not equipped for eternal vigilance. We get good at spotting patterns that occur frequently - so good that we miss the anomalies.
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That's why TSA agents are so good at spotting harmless shampoo bottles on X-rays, even as they miss nearly every gun and bomb that a red team smuggles through their checkpoints:
pluralistic.net/2023/08/23/aut…
"Lena"'s thread points out that this is as true for AI-assisted driving as it is for AI-assisted coding: "self-driving cars replace the experience of driving with the experience of being a driving instructor":
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In other words, they turn you into a reverse-centaur. Whereas my blind-spot double-checking robot allows me to make maneuvers at human speed and points out the things I've missed, a "supervised" self-driving car makes maneuvers at a computer's frantic pace, and demands that its human supervisor tirelessly and perfectly assesses each of those maneuvers.
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No wonder Cruise's murderous "self-driving" taxis replaced each low-waged driver with 1.5 high-waged technical robot supervisors:
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AI radiology programs are said to be able to spot cancerous masses that human radiologists miss.
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A centaur-based AI-assisted radiology program would keep the same number of radiologists in the field, but they would get *less* done: every time they assessed an X-ray, the AI would give them a second opinion. If the human and the AI disagreed, the human would go back and re-assess the X-ray. We'd get better radiology, at a higher price (the price of the AI software, plus the additional hours the radiologist would work).
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But back to making the AI bubble pay off: for AI to pay off, the human in the loop has to *reduce* the costs of the business buying an AI. No one who invests in an AI company believes that their returns will come from business customers to agree to *increase* their costs. The AI can't do your job, but the AI salesman can convince your boss to fire you and replace you with an AI anyway - that pitch is the most successful form of AI disinformation in the world.
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An AI that "hallucinates" bad advice to fliers can't replace human customer service reps, but airlines are firing reps and replacing them with chatbots:
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An AI that "hallucinates" bad legal advice to New Yorkers can't replace city services, but Mayor Adams still tells New Yorkers to get their legal advice from his chatbots:
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Airline held liable for its chatbot giving passenger bad advice - what this means for travellers
When Air Canada’s chatbot gave incorrect information to a traveller, the airline argued its chatbot is "responsible for its own actions".Maria Yagoda (BBC)
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The only reason bosses want to buy robots is to fire humans and lower their costs. That's why "AI art" is such a pisser. There are plenty of harmless ways to automate art production with software - everything from a "healing brush" in Photoshop to deepfake tools that let a video-editor alter the eye-lines of all the extras in a scene to shift the focus.
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A graphic novelist who models a room in The Sims and then moves the camera around to get traceable geometry for different angles is a centaur - they are genuinely offloading some finicky drudgework onto a robot that is perfectly attentive and vigilant.
But the pitch from "AI art" companies is "fire your graphic artists and replace them with botshit."
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They're pitching a world where the robots get to do all the creative stuff (badly) and humans have to work at robotic pace, with robotic vigilance, in order to catch the mistakes that the robots make at superhuman speed.
Reverse centaurism is *brutal*. That's not news: Charlie Chaplin documented the problems of reverse centaurs nearly 100 years ago:
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As ever, the problem with a gadget isn't what it does: it's who it does it *for* and who it does it *to*. There are plenty of benefits from being a centaur - lots of ways that automation can help workers. But the only path to AI profitability lies in *reverse* centaurs, automation that turns the human in the loop into the crumple-zone for a robot:
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I'm touring my new, nationally bestselling novel *The Bezzle*! Catch me in Boston with Randall "XKCD" Munroe (Apr 11), then Providence (Apr 12) and beyond!
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"turns the human in the loop into the crumple-zone for a robot"
Adding this to my list of perfect turns of phrase that also fucking suck.
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Yep, that's why I'm anti-corporate AI but neutral on opensource hobbyist AI.
I saw many legitimately neat things done with it but they mostly involved smallish custom models.
But no, corporations want the hype of a do-anything-robot, even if said do-anything-robot is both less efficient and less effective than specialized models. It's just sad.
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Quick correction, the person behind the quoted account (qntm) is Sam; "Lena", the first word of the bio, is a story they wrote thst was recently published.
(I now return to reading the thread intently)
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>"As the web becomes an anaerobic lagoon for botshit, the quantum of human-generated "content" in any internet core sample is dwindling to homeopathic levels:"
This sentence is perfect.
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Incorporating LLM generated content into LLM training datasets is like sticking a microphone into a speaker. Classic feedback loop, immediately drowns out the desired signal.
This means unless a reliable method of detecting LLM output comes along, the technology is self-limiting because it rapidly poisons its reproductive ecosystem.
LLMs are therefore best understood as an invasive species. The question is whether the explosive growth ends in desertification.
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I’d even say dialog for video game NPCs is an unsuitable task for LLMs.
As a writer, you know how important it is to say exactly what needs to be said to move the story—in advancing the setting, characters, or narrative.
An LLM just cranking out “kind of fits” dialog really doesn’t do any of that, and if anything, makes it harder to deal with knowing if you caused a state change you were supposed to or learned something you needed to know.
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I love "bullshit at scale", I keep chuckling to myself every time I think about it.
I could see it playing in a TV ad within Robocop, or some other 80s/90s satirical film about our dystopian corporate future.
It's going back to the question of what is truth. Can we trust AI with important decisions.
«The willingness of AI models to confidently cite non-existent court cases is now well known and has caused no small amount of embarrassment among attorneys unaware of this tendency. And as it turns out, generative AI models will do the same for software packages.»
*snerk*
@alttexthalloffame No, I will continue to do so because the alternative is to risk $150,000 copyright charges at the hands of predatory copyleft trolls:
"I did that in multiple places: both in the Twitter thread and in the alt text of the image."
Why is it necessary to do both? I am not seeing anything online about attribution being required as part of alt text, only that it's present. (Happy to be corrected.)
I'd love to hear @Gargron's thoughts on this.
mastodon.social/@Gargron/11211…
"Content created by others must be attributed"
Sounds like we might need to add a new field separate from alt text?
Only about a third of images have description (as per @AltTextHealthCheck), and who knows how much of that is actually usable. That's really bad.
@alttexthalloffame @Gargron @AltTextHealthCheck
IMO - as an avid caption writer - the most useful thing would be a field in IMAGES (e.g. EXIF) that could contain the descriptions and maintain them between services. My workflow is farcically complex and tracking descriptions across days is just a bridge too far, but if I could embed the description in the image so that it was available wherever I posted the image, that would be huge.
Wow, this is bad.
"Our findings revealed that several large companies either use or recommend this package in their repositories. For instance, instructions for installing this package can be found in the README of a repository dedicated to research conducted by Alibaba"
Recommend the dummy package? Like WTF.
Check your dependencies FFS.
I had regular old Gemini suddenly sending me on a 3 day cruise when I asked it to summarize a trip itinerary for me.
It started out as a 2 hour ferry ride.
Also is it still a supply chain attack if the supply chain didn't exist before it was used in an attack?
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@Nicolai von Neudeck 🤒🤕 SPF... for home desktop users... and what about the network switch?
This is being pitched for residential use... in the US...
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@taco @LaurenThemself like I said before, you're now the unofficial representative for Mastodon and the Fediverse lol
You have gone viral and in the best way!
... now don't be a milkshake duck lol
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Requirements to put in a job description to discourage or filter out autistic people:
* Comfortable with ambiguity
* Strong people skills
* Good culture fit
* Multitasking
* A fast-paced dynamic environment
* Bachelor's degree or better
I see these things and think you don't want my >30 years of programming and machine learning experience, or my problem-solving skills and comprehensive knowledge that had people mistaking me for one of the team's PhDs, or my solutions that have proven patent-worthy. Your loss.
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Must work well as part of a team.
Any other duties. (So just anything they make up that's not related to the job you were hired to do)
It's not even that I can't work as a team but every team contains at least one person who is just into head games & gossip & being a prick & they infect everyone else.
Often I can see it. Can't unsee it & ultimately have to deal with it. That puts a target on your back & before you know it the rest of the team are turned against you.
Over and over and over. We are canaries. If there's something toxic in the air, it'll take us out first.
I always end up being the target of some jerk who wants to prove to himself and everyone else what a piece of garbage I am for not being compliant with his manipulations. Even in cases where the rest of the team sides with me, it ends up being a fight to the death. I try to make peace with the aggressor repeatedly, to no avail.
I'm a two legged miner's canary.
pTerry's joke.
@sentient_water
I tried to explain to the management team at a previous workplace that I was a canarie, but that only added to the claims of "insubordination". I got pushback about how I wasn't a manager, wasn't an expert on management, etc.
Attempts to explain fairly well-known problems such as Peter Principle generated reprimands.
When added with other problematic policies, Eventually I was forced to resign.
mcormond.blogspot.com/2023/09/…
End of an Era: My resignation from CRKN
I have written about my resignation on social media, but since I’ve been asked what happened by people not on the socials I am posting here...mcormond.blogspot.com
@sentient_water
The largest problem I see is, while hiring practises filter neurodivergent candidates, there is also problems with retaining employment.
That past employer used all the "right words" for embracing diversity in their hiring, but then had a corporate culture that rejected anyone "too" different.
Anyone can join the organization, as long as they then keep their true selves at home.
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Observations about (a review of)^2 Autism Employment
I am very thankful for articles by Jim Hoerricks. The latest is: A deep dive on the Buckland Review of Autism Employment: report and recomm...mcormond.blogspot.com
I did say I can work well with teams. I can't work well with people who are manipulative & abusive though. Even though they're not the majority of people I find I'm often the only one who sees it.
It's very much a Cassandra Complex (but for psychopathology).
This is also really stupid of the police too because there's tons of evidence showing that actual criminals know this & so deliberately make a contact.
More enlightened law enforcement know this & so actually expect innocent people to avoid eye contact.
I've just started watching a french series called Astrid: Murder in Paris about an autistic woman who works in the police records unit. It's excellent 👌🏾
Though it's an over used trope I can't help myself. Anyway back to it.
Yeah it's superbly acted. I love the idea of an Autistic Adults Anonymous group too.
It doesn't shy away from the hostility & abelism many of us experience too.
Only just watched the second episode though I think I'm going to love diving into it.
which is why supposing intent is such a frustration interacting with allistics. Why do they expect they can mind read? Afaik it’s well-known that that’s uh, not considered a good thing in psychology
Exactly this 💯 in the therapeutic setting we're constantly reminded how we can't read minds & that we don't know someone's true intentions. Yes I agree but we can know someone's consistent actions over an extended period & draw conclusions from them.
Though when it comes to autistics we are constantly punished & pathologized because we can't read minds.
Once again The Double Empathy problem & of course double standards.
Absolutely this idea of "high functioning" is incredibly harmful.
You "seem" to have no problem understanding lots of things why can't you understand this hint, this ambiguous command. We're also predisposed to self incrimination too.
Some years ago I was stopped for speeding & when asked what the speed limit was. "30 mph" I said. "What speed were you doing?" "44 mph" The cop then said "You know you just admitted to a crime?" "Well that's what I did."
I always obey the speed limit though it was late at night & I was moving from a 50 to a 30 zone & there were no other vehicles on the road.
Thankfully due to my respectful tone, baffling honesty & the cop not being an ahole. I was let off but it could have gone much worse.
Really glad I've got someone else to chat about this show with. Gonna watch the third episode tonight.
It's fascinating because there are MANY autistics in the show but almost every other represention in the past has been a single autistic surrounded by allistics.
I love how among themselves there's no real communication difficulties.
Oh absolutely. Weirdly the most "autisticky" people I've met have been those who've had the earliest diagnosis. They've been coddled & also constantly reminded of their limitations. They're told, & their parents are told. They'll never live independently, so they don't. They'll never have friends or a partner. So they don't.
"Argue for your limitations & sure enough, they're yours."
The constant insistence for the earliest possible diagnosis is weird & I think detrimental.
I've lived a very full life & have autistic friends who've never got a DX or much later in life. They similarly have raised families, been married, had careers.
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I suppose that's the theory that some of us never get told what we are on. 😬 ❤️
@alastair @PurpleStephyr Oh yeah I've experienced all that stuff too. I certainly recognise my own vulnerability & difficulty with adulting. Though in a way it's actually those very challenges that have given me a range of resources.
I think I'm saying, it's about over protection & about giving us more credit & capacity than we're usually given.
I just don't know why a five year old NEEDS to know they have a complex neurological condition. How does that benefit them?
We also need to stop pathologizing harmless autistic traits.
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You know the expression eyes are the window to the soul, well maybe I don’t really want to see your soul especially in a job interview.
But I will say as an autistic that doesn’t have problems with eye contact…if you do look people in the eyes, most look away naturally. No one likes it, unless it’s intimate partners or dogs and cats. People use it only as a bs power excuse. They aren’t self aware of their own lack of eye contact.
I have an entire masking routine for eye contact because I discovered the limits of what makes people uncomfortable. It's based on my heartbeats, flickering and emphasis stressing. It's also so stupid, eye contact typically doesn't give much information compared to, say, shoulder tension.
It's frustrating.
in latin america, this is the stereotypical gringo thing to do. when anyone demands that, in Puerto Rico we call it a gringada. we don't do forced eye contact, especially if we are Black, Indigenous or both, due to the obvious histories of colonization.
i wasn't Dx until 50 and part of the reason is that as an afroindigenous latinoamericana, eye contact is a nono with stangers. it’s not that we don’t do it. it’s earned as a sign of mutual respect.
I have a strange work history. I started teaching computer to nurses in the 90s at 12. I went and progressed really well until I hit burnout a couple times. I was the bootstrap kid. I mean why give up just if life deals you shit I thought.
I had good mentors.
I can still remember all thier advice. It was a privledged life I learned.
Now I realize my internalized ableism broke me down over time. So that’s from another perspective.
Nobody i knew who worked in tech had a degree. They were all self taught.
My boss was a two time county college dropout.
One time he had to be final arbiter of a new hire and both candidates were freshly minted columbia grads.
I understand why he felt a bit smug.
> ...it feels silly, all that talent it simply allowed me to survive bottom line. I don’t even know how I did it.
This really hits home. I'm only just now reaching a place where the positions I'm looking at actually match my abilities. It took so long to gather the experience necessary to prove my abilities to people, but now I'm finding that the challenge has only shifted to dealing with stress and burnout and misunderstandings that threaten my mental health and job security.
> it took so long to gather the experience necessary to prove my abilities to people
As someone struggling with rejection for ‘inexperience’ I felt this too hard. I could prove it, if given half a chance. Just because I can’t show it doesn’t mean I don’t know it 😅
I doubt that I could have gotten a degree thirty years ago. Here I am, at 47, a 4.0 student. But I won't kid myself, I couldn't do this if it wasn't for the online, async format.
But the entire reason I'm going is that I've never gotten past the foot in the door stage. When you couple the degree requirement with having to play nice by arbitrary rules I'm a poor fit. So here I am, getting a degree to prove that I know what I already know.
@jeang3nie @EVDHmn
I had a math teacher fail me.I got zeros on every test because i didn't show my work.The kid next to me got 90/100 (b+) for writing random digits in the proper format, but getting every answer wrong.
That's kinda why i don't code.I understood that my grade in math class depended on wisdom, not getting the answers right, so i tunneled into books instead of numbers.
Plus, i was traumatized af, sleep deprived, and wired on coffee.
No seriously, because of the careers of my parents, I did see more than average schools (in 12 year schooling 7 schools) and I did see perhaps 2 teachers who were educators. The mass were in it for the secure job as a civil servant (back then you get even tenure as a middle school teacher here), and quite a number were clear psychopaths.
Funny thing is, after 11 years or so, when always my dad went to PTA meetings, my mother went once, had a nice chat with the teacher responsible for my class. Told her openly that, in her professional opinion, she is a psychopath. My regular school career ended less than 24h later, and I had to take my Matura exams before the official government commission, 🤷
So yes, in my personal experience (and the experience as a parent of a school kid), psychopath seems to me sort of an entrance requirement for the job. They don't advertise it, but the concentration of psychopaths at a teaching conference is probably only slightly lower than at a CEO meet & greet.
I heard a surgeon say once, which do you want the doctor who is pushing boundaries who believes in themselves implicitly or the person who has doubt.
The important part is the realistic factor, I want to know the experience level and success rate. To be able to succeed you first have to have the confidence to do it, then do it properly, effectively. Terms mean different things to different people as well.
@Uair
For a surgeon it's easy, an experienced (and thus non scientist) surgeon that had been doing the procedure ideally a couple of times daily the past 5 years.
Now for the decision on the procedure, potentially an experienced doctor (again not necessary a PhD), surgeons tend to have this every diagnosis can be helped with a scalpel approach. The idea of not cutting something often dies not occur to them.
@EVDHmn @pteryx @jeang3nie @hosford42 @actuallyautistic @neurodivergence
@Uair
I once had the privilege to air in on a stomach bypass consultation, actually in one of the leading clinics locally.
While everything was explained, I was rather shocked by the used car sales man approach the surgeon took, like we have these option, we'd prefer this one, but yeah you can chose whatever.
Butchers. Elite butchers working on humans, but butchers.
@EVDHmn @pteryx @jeang3nie @hosford42 @actuallyautistic @neurodivergence
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Similar for me. 5 schools for 13 years.
In a way, one of my worst teachers was also the one with the most important lesson.
First grade. They had a bug in their math book: 2-4 instead of 4-2.
Naturally, I wrote -2 as the answer.
My teacher insisted that a) there are no negative numbers, b) that 2-4 is 0.
After a bit of dicussion, they took a pen and draw a big, fat "0" over my answer several times over, to make sure it totally covered my "wrong" answer.
This taught me:
- Teachers have no clue.
- When confronted, teachers have no arguments.
- Instead of arguments, they try to use their "authority", often with hilarious results.
I met some better teachers later, so I revised those rules to "Most teachers".
One of my worst encounters with an insecure teacher obsessed with her own authority involved the transition from only having wastebaskets to also having recycling bins. She spent several minutes talking about how to use the recycling bins (putting the paper in uncrumpled and such)... and then shortly afterward, surely out of force of habit, crumpled up a piece of paper and put it in the trash.
1/2
I raised my hand, she called on me, and I gently reminded her that she should use the recycling bin too in order to set a good example for us.
She EXPLODED about my supposedly challenging her authority, and screamingly gave me detention.
2/2
We could definitely use higher standards in teaching.
More "nobody's perfect, errors are part of learning, this here is about training that muscle in your head", less "jobs for insecure people with a sadistic streak".
@wakame
Well I did have these too, but they were not exactly classical educators, eg my teachers in my advanced math/chemistry competition training.
Very dedicated teachers. Not exactly psychopaths.
But not exactly educators to explain complicated stuff to kids with understanding problems. The math one taught two courses in parallel and managed to out scribble is on the board.
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@wakame
The chemistry one I add also as a regular chemistry teacher, she was so emphatic, she had absolutely no problem of showing the regular pupils how little they knee by discussing our problems during regular chemistry lessons.
Incredibly support way to be branded as a nerd and totally emphatic way to make the regular students love science.
@pteryx @Uair @hosford42 @EVDHmn @actuallyautistic @neurodivergence
Hypocrites like that always annoyed me so much. It has *nothing* to do with their authority in the first place.
But if they have to bring it up? Authority isn't some god-given thing, it requires respect (which itself is deserved/earned beyond the baseline) and justification of itself, it is never inherently valid. Divine right is bullshit anyway and most definitely never has applied to the ranks of anyone I've ever interacted with.
@pteryx @lispi314 @EVDHmn @yacc143 @wakame
"After all, "school elections" are performative bullshit that if anything teaches kids that elections don't matter."
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This School Calls the Police on Students Every Other Day
In Jacksonville, Illinois, the Garrison School for students with disabilities has routinely used the police to handle discipline, resulting in the highest arrest rate of any district in the country.ProPublica
@lispi314 @Uair @pteryx @EVDHmn @yacc143
The definitions sound similar in English, but I will take the german word "Kompetenz" (competence) as example:
Meaning 1: Having the ability, knowledge etc. to do something.
Meaning 2: Having (assigned) rights to do something.
So you can be competent (meaning 2) while being completely incompetent (meaning 1).
@wakame @yacc143 @pteryx @Uair @EVDHmn
For shame. That's behavior that can make smart children think of themselves as stupid (especially if they don't have educated adults in their life that can counter the teacher)
I am a believer in 'teachers should be several years ahead of their pupils'. And I just don't understand the mentality of thinking you can teach when you do not know much more than what's in the teaching materials.
In 2nd grade, our 5 year old came to me and said "5-3 equals 2, and 3-5 is ... something like 2, but not the same". So I told her about negative numbers. A few years ago, I told her about -1×-1=1. Shame on that teacher for saying 2-4=0!
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Also: any decent teacher should be willing to occasionally concede 'uh, actually, i do not know'.
Which is happening all the time in this age of encyclopedia-in-you-pocket.
I think that's one of the most important lessons to teach kids: it's okay for a smart person to admit they don't know everything, it's okay for an authority-figure to apologize if they were wrong.
Live by example if you are raising a kid.
@Selena @yacc143 @pteryx @Uair @EVDHmn
Most practical problems of knowledge acquisition and teaching seem to be "emotional insults" anyway.
If my self-worth depends on that "I am never wrong", it is actually quite brittle.
At this point, one is not a seeker of knowledge, but a zealot who defends their own religion.
I have a pretty good general knowledge & knew the stuff I was teaching, but occasionally I had students who knew more than me & I wasn’t afraid to admit it. Humility is something all teachers should be able to role model, & if they can’t, they’re in the wrong job.
@Susan60 @Selena @wakame @yacc143 @pteryx @Uair
I wish I would have had you as a teacher. I was talking to my partner about this last night.
Allowing room for humility in a conversation is a talent.
It doesn’t make a person who thinks differently from one another to be undervalued.
Being right, or accurate isn’t the most important take away from a conversation.
There’s emotions in people’s minds who read words or hear them.
Humility is Kind
Thank you Derek. I was a secondary teacher for 12 years, having been a late starter. I then trained as an English Language teacher, but the job disappeared when the pandemic hit. I think I was a good teacher in some ways, but it’s a demanding job for anyone, let alone an undiagnosed/realised & unsupported autistic teacher. When I think how empathetic I was with my students, including neurodivergent ones…
@wakame @yacc143 @pteryx @Uair @EVDHmn @Selena Reminds me of a story told to me by Fred Goodman, I took one of his Education courses. He attended a PTA meeting (as a parent) and a teacher was complaining about the New Math. She said she disliked it because students would has her questions she couldn't answer.
Fred thought it was wonderful that students were asking questions. But teacher didn’t like getting questions.
@paulc @wakame @pteryx @Uair @EVDHmn @Selena
Because, having a brief look at an introduction to “New Maths” for parents, some of that stuff by god does not look overly intuitive, and I'm used to uni maths and typing LaTeX without googling all the time.
(OTOH, the splitting up of numbers by digits and handling them by position for calculation is something that I did on my own as a school kid, that's an obvious lazy shortcut).
@yacc143 @paulc @wakame @pteryx @EVDHmn @Selena
I tried to help my last woman's kid with pre-algebra. I spent a good hour wrestling with her textbook but fuck if i could figure it out. I couldn't help her with her homework.
I told her i'd passed calculus twice and offered to teach her math by the concepts but she declined. She just wanted to get her homework done so she didn't fail math class.
@Uair @yacc143 @paulc @pteryx @EVDHmn @Selena
Yesterday, I found a thread about mathematical notation with some very weird perspectives. But could hold myself back from interacting (and thereby likely making both the posters and my life worse).
The weirdest thing about math is that it was a religion until around 150 years ago and that we teach people calculus by memorization, not by understanding.
(Which is why the first thing at the university is to unlearn all the mathematical misconceptions one has picked up so far. Which takes somewhere between 6 to 18 months...)
@wakame @yacc143 @paulc @pteryx @EVDHmn @Selena
"we teach people calculus by memorization, not by understanding."
That was every math class i ever took. Algebra 2 was the most obvious. We spent 1 week on each concept. On monday, she explained the concept for the three students who cared. The other four days were spent getting the rest of the class to memorize a step by step so they can solve an identical prob when they spot one on the test.
@wakame @yacc143 @paulc @pteryx @EVDHmn @Selena
Mrs OHara again! I spent an entire year, 5th grade, reading a novel under my desk. Everything Stephen King had writ by '87. Garp. Erma Bombeck. Vonnegut. Dean Koontz.
I wrote some papers, but mostly took the grade you got for a's on the test but no homework or class participation ever since that year. It was the year the math teacher failed me. When i worked homicide out of my system.
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that's how math lost me, I always felt I had missed something, and I'm averse to memorizing shit I don't understand. It was embarrassing, I got an IQ, but I didn't make it past what, trig.
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I tried to have another look after the mid-life crash, but it didn't seem to be happening, the methods have all changed, I gave up again pretty quickly.
@marjolica
Well I ween back to uni after 3 decades.
I can report that the system of teaching maths at uni in Austria has literally stayed basically unchanged. Well more classes require the students to submit their solutions but that's probably because it's technically easier today.
It's still the same weekly routine of solving homework, marking which exercises you @Uair @wakame @paulc @pteryx @hosford42 @EVDHmn @actuallyautistic @neurodivergence @Selena
managed, and are ready to present, and random selection of the lucky victim who had to present.
And generally speaking no CAS, no group work (which can be easier checked with submitted solutions), ...
After a couple of semesters of that you get used and start to read maths textbooks or you change your study course.
@Uair @wakame @paulc @pteryx @hosford42 @EVDHmn @actuallyautistic @neurodivergence @Selena @marjolica
I also set open book exams.
And for statistics coursework I used to randomise the numbers in the question so different correct answers between students, to discourage copying.
So, yes, a lot of work for me, mostly small classes though.
@marjolica @Uair @wakame @yacc143 @paulc @pteryx @EVDHmn @Selena The way it's done by actual professionals in the field, then.
I think there's value in learning to do the stuff manually. Hands-on, actually touching the numbers, gives a different perspective and a grounding of the concepts. But that should be followed by, "And this is how you do it with a calculator..." (Substitute appropriate tool.) And then it should be left up to students what to actually use
In other cases it depends what understanding of maths a student needs.
When I first went to university the Maths teachers started by teaching us Groups and Sets. Not very useful for the Physics students, better for Maths students.
@yacc143 @paulc @wakame @pteryx @EVDHmn @Selena
"the brain-dead way they did it in school."
That's not an accident. Everybody needs to read this:
harpers.org/archive/2003/09/ag…
Against school, by John Taylor Gatto
How public education cripples our kids, and whyHarper's Staff (Harper's Magazine)
@pteryx @yacc143 @paulc @wakame @EVDHmn @Selena
Thanks.
libcom.org/article/against-sch…
Against school - John Taylor Gatto
A 2003 article by John Taylor Gatto, a retired school teacher, on the US education system, its history and reasons for being. We disagree with some elements of his perspective, which are elaborated on in the comments below.libcom.org
Well 2-4 is not solvable in the natural numbers. Perhaps you should have argued for NaN ;)
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@yacc143 @pteryx @Uair @EVDHmn
To my defense: It would be two years until I would get my own computer.
And I maybe would have understood if they had said that natural numbers are not part of first grader math.
But insisting on a solution that can clearly be proven wrong with first grader math (0+4 != 2), that's just... wrong.
I'm envious, I had to wait to till I was 10. I got my first programming books at 9, but hardware only afterwards, sigh.
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@yacc143 @pteryx @Uair @EVDHmn
Well, I was 9, so there is not much distance. Programming is something I "discovered" on my computer, after becoming bored with the chess program that was installed.
Thankfully, DOS 6.22 had QBASIC (and I still think every computer should have at least some simple programming tools installed on principle).
@wakame @yacc143 @pteryx @Uair @EVDHmn This is how I got my start, too, at age 12. Only I think maybe I'm a bit older than you. For me, it was Rocky's Boots, and then I discovered the GW-BASIC manual in my dad's desk. QBASIC came later, but early enough that I was still cutting my teeth on programming.
And yeah, every computer should come with a programming language, preferably one that is suitable for beginners. The internet will have to do instead.
@wakame @yacc143 @pteryx @EVDHmn
I know enough to know that all i need is a handbook of the tags(?) and punctuation and i could html a basic page from scratch. I'd really like to bother doing that again, actually. But that was, to me, enough of a toe in actually doing work for fun. I'd rather use it.
I think a lot of it requires visual logic. I suck at that. I do if->then loops. Let me practice up and i can play a decent slow game of chess.
@wakame @yacc143 @pteryx @Uair @EVDHmn well, we have a serious education policy answer to that - the goals of the education system are not what they appear to be, we like this essay about it worrydream.com/refs/Lockhart_2…
but the real answer is there is no good reason not to. we should absolutely do that.
Please put them in the description if they really are qualities you are looking for, but don't put them in just to stretch word-count.
"Must be able to lift 65 lbs."
For a job that consisted of communicating with teammates and creating code. The company I worked for at the time also held periodic purges of those who cost the small business health plan too much.
I haven't seen it in job descriptions, but some places have a tacit "camera on" policy for remote meetings.
"It's important to see each other's faces."
On one of my teams, nobody is even on the same continent. Since I don't use a photo avatar, they don't even know what I look like.
We work together very well.
@jhulten @jcmrva @hosford42 @actuallyautistic @neurodivergence
@jcmrva how did we manage all those years with just conference calls?
From a slightly different angle...
It took me a while to realise that job "requirements" are suggestions rather than rules. There have been occasions of a job spec requiring more years experience with a technology than that tech has existed.
The hiring process stage I distrust the most is in person interviews, particularly with a non-technical HR type. Did I make the correct amount of eye contact, smile correctly, hold the handshake with the correct firmness and for the correct time...
The college degree is just a filter. No matter what you studied, you still have to learn on the job once hired.
@mawhrin
Different meanings in different work environments.
"Requirements" vs "Desired" -- some employer hire external HR companies that filter by requirements, so never see your application at all.
After being hired: Sometimes a "job description" is a description of what you should be working on, but sometimes it is also a description of what everyone else is not allowed to work on (Enforced: silos, exclusive jurisdiction, hierarchy, etc).
being required to work remotely / from home
*some. There is no one-size-fits-all. That’s why I said ‘being forced to’
Right, it's the *choice* that makes it accommodating. I really like WFH, but there are times when it doesn't help me. It depends on which struggles I'm having at the time. If I need downtime, reduced commuting, or to avoid noise or people, WFH is amazing. But if I'm having trouble staying focused because of distractions at home, I need to be in the office. Being forced into any option, rather than being left the choice, reduces accessibility.
I think there's a general insight to be had here about *all* accommodations and accessibility issues. Personal choice and control over the conditions we work under is what maximizes accessibility.
for sure; essentially all inclusivity is about flexibility. That’s why it can be such a hard sell to businesses: flexibility requires redundancy, which is inefficient - an aberration that should not be allowed to impact profit
... And it's too bright in there, and your seat is right by the coffee machine, and everyone who passes interrupts you to say hello, just to be sociable. (True story.)
And there's a weekly team meal at the local Indian restaurant, where (in the best case) you look awkward because you can't eat spicy food. And there's so much noise, and so many people! And you're immunocompromised, like a lot of #ActuallyAutistic people, but how are you going to eat with a respirator on? So now you have to risk your long-term physical health in order to be seen as a team player.
Is there a word for when a person's disability impacts the ability of a carer to provide for them, by indirectly triggering systemic ableism against the carer, whether the carer is personally disabled or not?
@Dio9sys I am in the process of filling out a request for reasonable accommodation under the ADA to be allowed to continue working remotely as I have been successfully for the last four years, and which my current supervisor has no problem with, despite policy. I’m still likely to have to retire soon because of disability, but as long as I am working, I need that protection in the event my supervisor changes.
Remote work is a reasonable accommodation for many disabilities.
@bhawthorne I tried really hard to get them to accomodate me, but to do so they required I go through their workman's comp insurance company and fill out 10 different forms where they tried to find every feasible way to block me that was still, technically, legal. I started the process, then another coworker came up to me and said "oh, I've been fighting with them for 3 months despite having permanent vertigo that makes it impossible to sit upright. Their purpose is to block you from being accommodated"
By then, I was already looking for other work.
Enforcement Guidance on Reasonable Accommodation and Undue Hardship under the ADA
Notice Concerning The Americans With Disabilities Act Amendments Act Of 2008This document was issued prior to enactment of the Americans with Disabilities Act Amendments Act of 2008 (ADAAA), which took effect on January 1, 2009.US EEOC
@Dio9sys I have a union. My employer knows that if they don’t follow the law, the union lawyers will make sure they do. Fortunately, my employer is one of the most progressive in the country.
I don’t know how people survive in non-union jobs nowadays.
I was a freelancer in film and advertising for over 30 years and the pseudo-social part of this cultural bubble is inherently geared towards precisely these "social" requirements for self-marketing.
I've been an employee at a company rated as a "great place to work" for five years now and I'm very lucky that the focus here is solely on my work and neither toxic competition nor uncomfortable socializing are a thing here.
@actuallyautistic @neurodivergence
@ScriptFanix
I read somewhere that we're hunters in a farmer's world.
That makes sense on a lot of levels.
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fits my sense of things, of . . . timing. A bit weird that the farmers are the warriors and the hunters weren't, counterintuitive maybe, but yeah. 😀
@ScriptFanix
I think a lot of people with other disabilities would say the same though: the world is exclusionary & puts barriers in people's way.
If you conceptualize disability in terms of the social model, it makes sense why something like autism or ADHD could be considered a disability. I consider my ADHD a disability—I'm not able to function in the world in the same way that neurotypicals do, which introduces lots of complication into my life.
I understand your point, but believe we have to fight for a world that's more accepting, and refuse the labels impressed by NTs
@hosford42 @actuallyautistic @neurodivergence
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I agree. The NT are a neurotype whose language centres themselves and pathologizes all else.
We don't have to do the second part, but we do need our own framing and our own language where we are what is normal and they are what . . . diverges.
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It just means talking about ourselves from our own neurotype. ❤️
This is why I favour the word "allistic" over "non-autistic" - presenting autistic and allistic as equals.
It is of course possible to be neurodivergent and allistic.
@ScriptFanix @artemis @hosford42 @actuallyautistic @neurodivergence
@ScriptFanix @artemis
[I am one of those people who look up the meaning of words all the time, because... how else would know what is meant...]
I think "disability" by itself sounds like "somene is lacking an ability" or "is impaired wrt an ability".
We all lack the ability to fly (present crows excluded).
So this quickly turns into the question "which abilities are expected by society?".
Because that ultimately defines "disability".
In my case (AuDHD), I am overwhelmed with information most of the time. So "watching a video", "hearing" or even "looking at a graphical user interface" is stressful for me.
Also, I am clearly "disabled" in the "following arbitary rules" department, because I simply can't simulate the decision process that neurotypical people use to discern between important und unimportant rules.
But: I don't think that's (only) a "me" problem. IMHO having many people with disabilities means that societies expectations need to be reworked.
That was kinda my point, but it seems I didn't express it as clearly as you just did. To me, the problem is the society putting such high standards that people who are just a bit different are excluded from many activities, including having a decent living wage for so many.
@hosford42 @artemis @actuallyautistic @neurodivergence
ScriptFanix, autistic people are very different from one another.
You might not experience autism to be a disability, but many autistic people do. Both in the "social mode" sense, where we're disabled because of society's lack of care and understanding, and just plain internally as well, where were disabled no matter our circumstances.
There's nothing wrong, lesser, or shameful about being disabled.
Definitely what you're calling "normalism" also occurs, there's no doubt about that, but autistic people are also often subjected to abelism.
(I'd also argue that normalism and abelism are part of the same phenomenon, one is a subcategory of the other, although I'm not sure which one is the umbrella term)
I had a look at a website for an autistic advocacy organisation in Australia. The language there is very much about difference, and while I like that, ignoring the fact that autistic people often experience disability, for one reason or another, could backfire awfully.
@Zumbador @ScriptFanix I was resistant to calling myself disabled for a long time, until an extended discussion made me question the need to avoid it. My resistance was due to a misunderstanding of the terminology, compounded by unaddressed, internalized ableism.
"Disabled" isn't an insult, and there is no shame in using that word, and that isn't affected by whether the medical or social model is being used. I'm disabled in both ways, too. The stuff I'm drawing attention to in the OP is mostly addressing disability from the social model perspective. My sound sensitivity, in particular, is both at once; people ignore and discount my differences, leading to mistreatment and disadvantage, but also, sometimes I can't handle even natural conditions, apart from others' treatment of me.
The social model of disability is a great model in how it turns the question around from the way the medical model does it. If you look at it from the viewpoint of the SMD, then the toot that says, " in a world that doesn't want to integrate us" makes use of that statement as a point of evidence! If society is not willing to integrate us in equitable ways, we suffer from a disability.
I don't have a problem with the word "ableism" used with autism.
You associate it with disability. I'll grant you that maybe that's the way it is for most people.
I associate it with "being able" and "being unable" in a way intrinsically linked with the person.
When I say that insisting that "real life dating" is better than online dating in all circumstance is ableist, I'm not harping on disabilities. Far from it. What makes real life dating a no-go for me is mostly that I'm pan, poly, and into BDSM. It narrows the pool quite a bit. I can't go to a local bar and hope to find someone where.
For sure, my autism adds to this, but it is not the driving factor.
I'll also say that It does not really matter whether my autism disables me because it is a "disability" or a "condition." I'm still unable to do some things.
@ScriptFanix
> I don't think we're disabled, I think we're just different, in a world that doesn't want to integrate us.
That's the social model of disability. The way the world treats us *creates* the disability, by failing/refusing to accommodate our differences.
When we say 'abled', we mean that person has all the aids a task requires, freely available.
When we say 'disabled' we refer to the 'different' and sometimes insurmountable obstacles that strew the path from wanting to do the task, to actually being able to do it. That is disablement. It's not deliberate. It's just unthinking...but it is still dis-abling. @actuallyautistic @neurodivergence
These words that you've put here in this combination - they fit what I've also been thinking exactly!
I have a friend who also had problems in university (I guess he still doesn't know he is autistic, but he is fine anyway) and he dropped out.
He started learning on his own, at home, at the same time he had remote IT jobs for businesses who just wanted to see what people are capable of instead of looking which grade they achieved, so he got his chance to make an impression and he made one.
Now he earns a ton of money because he knows stuff. :)
Yes sadly most job offers are specifically for "normal" people who learned the "normal" way.
I can feel that this kind of ableist behaviour is hurtful to you and takes away good chances.
But since most companies only want that kind of people (neurotypical, chitchatty people), working there is also often exhausting, because most co-workers and also your supervisor do not even try to get (to know) you.
I really hope people get more open minded...
@FlotteBiene86
> But since most companies only want that kind of people (neurotypical, chitchatty people), working there is also often exhausting...
This will be an issue no matter where I work. It's more important to me that I have a job to complain about in the first place, since that's the only way to maintain access to food and housing.
I'm sorry for you but it is how it is.
@Miname
> I'm sorry for you but it is how it is.
No, I don't think you are, because this is a suck-it-up-ableism-is-necessary answer. I don't want or need your pity, anyway.
Also, I didn't say I was bad at communication. I'm actually good at it, from much hard practice, but communication is a two way street. It has been my experience that they will expect me to communicate the way they want, rather than meeting me halfway, particularly if this requirement is listed.
> It has been my experience that they will expect me to communicate the way they want, rather than meeting me halfway
And then also describe this scenario of you completely communicating exactly as *they* expect as ‘meeting halfway’, if your experience is anything like mine
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Ambiguity? No problem. After all, we are not building anything important, right? :blobcat_flop_woozy:
Oh, spec says we need a random value. Let's hard-code "4", shall we?
my God, the amount of times my boss suggests a quick call to *clarify* an instruction/order. 🤦♀️
It's like... no, that doesn't help me at all, thats just a whole nother l3vel of extra anxiety for me to deal with. Please keep it to text (ideally semantic rich text), thank you very much.
actually on second thoughts, sometimes it *is* better face to face...
Because they don't even bother with semantic rich text when they do use text comms 😓
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Classic example last week: my boss asked for "volunteers" during a meeting for a task I knew nothing about and in my mind he did a poor job explaining it.
Then he tried to guilt trip/ peer peer pressure me for not "volunteering". 🙄
It's like, mate, I don't think that word means what you think it means.
fucking allistics eh. It's like you're my boss, i follow your orders, that's how it works, so just give me a clear order.
None of this emotionally manipulative volunteer bs.
It's a relief to work with a team-lead who is trying to respect my wish to not talk very much (I said I was terrible at talking at all my previous jobs, but nobody ever took that seriously).
She is very talkative herself, but in this situation that's a good thing because all team-members are allowed to do the jobs they are good at (I do some very nerdy stuff, there is also a creative person who makes wonderful powerpoints)
@marytzu my last job they had evening events at the place and staff were ‘invited’ to attend…but later I was rebuked for not attending because it turns out they considered it part of my job though completely unpaid to be present (and likely have to work too.)
I refused to go.
- Good culture fit
This one could be used to exclude anyone from a marginalized community.
- Bachelor's degree or better
I mean, personally think my experience is better then a bachelor's degree.
As an autistic manager of a security engineering team, I want to call out that some roles genuinely require navigating ambiguity and building relationships (trust, collaboration, partnerships, etc).
But they shouldn't be phrased like "comfort navigating ambiguity" or "people skills", rather phrases like "capable of turning ambiguous problems into a structured understanding and solution" or "able to build trusting partnerships out of damaged relationships".
I've been in those roles. I thought I was allistic because I was good at those roles. Autistic people have stronger potential for "people skills" than allistic people because we're far more able to build mutual understanding humans across cultures because almost every culture is a foreign culture to us (even the culture we grew up in). Allistic people don't face the initial cliff but for us it's a plateau past that.
I'm open to being wrong, but these requirements don't appear to necessarily be ableist if they're genuinely, actually required (other than degrees, which should never be requirements outside academia, and "culture fit" which is nonspecific bias fodder unless there's a specific documented company culture). Multitasking and a fast paced dynamic environment are unfortunately necessary aspects of my team's work, and while most of us are neurospicy, that doesn't work for every neurotype (I for one would absolutely fail at doing what my team does).
@saraislet I think that, for some part of it, they’re ableist in that they pre-empt a non-accommodating environment, and some use this as a way to avoid having to accommodate autistic people.
I’m quite ok with ambiguity - when folks at least admit they’re being ambiguous.
I’m ok with people, actually. Sometimes I need to clarify things and make sure our shared understanding is actually what I think it is. Or explain that my intention wasn’t what you may have interpreted.
I’m ok without structure, as long as my interpretation of how and when things should be done is ok - or that I can negotiate that with my team / manager.
TL;DR: I just need cooperative communicators, who are ok with clarifying questions, patching misunderstandings, and working with diverse people who aren’t “like them”.
If the environment is built around uncooperative communicators who expect it all to be one way, but won’t share that expectation or make reasonable adjustments as an accommodation - well, that is an inaccessible environment for autistic people.
That makes sense, thanks for sharing : )
It sounds like what would be ideal is to describe both the job and requirements in ways that clarify an intent, capability, and commitment to maintaining an environment where each person thoughtfully accommodates the needs of the people around each other, rather than having unnecessary hard & fast prescriptive expectations for how our colleagues work and communicate.
E.g., my expectations for my team aren't "show up on time" but rather "don't ghost the team": specifically describing that being late or missing a meeting now and then is fine and we assume folks have other important things or are simply trying their best or oh well time blindness happens.
Of course, the *actual* Agile Manifesto doesn't say that. It's very short:
"Through this work we have come to value:
Individuals and interactions over processes and tools
Working software over comprehensive documentation
Customer collaboration over contract negotiation
Responding to change over following a plan
That is, while there is value in the items on
the right, we value the items on the left more."
Fair. That's a bit shitty, and your original take that they weren't thinking of the health of their ND teams is entirely justified.
But you can still be "agile" and not do that. Of course.
@polotek I'd like hiring managers to think through what is actually a requirement for the job, as opposed to listing strategies or skills they assume are the only way to meet the actual requirements.
As an example, someone else mentioned in a comment how "comfortable with ambiguity" is a res herring. If the job requires rectifying ambiguous situations, that's what should be listed. Comfort has nothing to do with it, and can in fact be detrimental to that end. I'd be excited about that alternative requirement if I saw it.
On the other hand, if being comfortable with ambiguity really is what's needed, it should be asked *why*. If it's intrinsic to the role, by all means list it as a requirement. But if it's not intrinsic, it's better to take some time to understand how ambiguity is creeping into the work environment, and how that can be corrected. Ambiguity isn't generally a good thing, regardless of how well someone handles it.
There was some UK study that found one of the greatest sources of stress for workers in the lower tiers of bureaucracies was unclear and contradictory job requirements.
This is a case not just of ableism, but disability being a social construction; accommodating our needs would benefit everyone.
Everyone but the people at the top who enjoy breaking everyone and everything.
> ...that is how the organization chooses to operate.
This is a loss for all parties, IMO, but especially for those of us who are attuned to the problem and experience stress directly from its existence. Effective communication is not ambiguous. If the company fails to disambiguate expectations, it does not embrace effective communication. And I think we can all agree that effective communication is important to the success of any organization.
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It’s also how we show up perhaps , the world will always be the way it is.
We can make it better by advocating how we can make an impact in communities and make it more friendly and accommodating through diversity boards in our cities and towns.
Local politics affects so much really. By lessening the burden on everyone by collaborating it takes some of the societal stressors off reducing anxiety and raising awareness.
@polotek I don't want to just vent. I want to do something about it. One of the things I'm doing about it is trying to make people more aware, because awareness makes people more likely to notice and respond when they see it happening. Boosts outside the community, in particular, help with this endeavor. That's something we can all do for each other, "we" being the various marginalized communities present on social media.
Do you have suggestions on practical steps to take to address the issues I've mentioned?
@polotek
> To hear you write it off as useless and also ableist...
I'm thoroughly confused by this. What did I say that made you think I was writing anything off? And what exactly is it that I appear to be writing off? In particular, why is "useless" included alongside "ableist"? It sounds like there may have been some sort of misunderstanding along the way.
If we frame things differently, it's worth the time, to me, to understand why, and to reconsider the framing. Walking away from that feels like a missed opportunity for mutual understanding and personal growth.
@polotek How can I create space for you if you won't even attempt to communicate your needs?
You think I don't appreciate how hard communication is? That's bordering on insult. I've spent 45 years of my life with that as the central difficulty in my life. The absolute worst contributor to that difficulty is when people refuse to even attempt it.
Still wondering what you think it is that I supposedly have all figured out. But if you want to lob accusations and then run away without even explaining why you felt the need, I can't stop you. What I can do is point out that it's on you, not me, if you're the one refusing an attempt at mutual understanding. You're creating a bubble where no one *can* understand you. There's nothing to figure out, because you've provided zero information besides your own irritation, dismissal, and negative assumptions.
@polotek
I completely agree. In my experience, ambiguity comes predominantly from poor communication. It starts at the top, with high-level managers not communicating clearly with middle managers. Middle managers don’t absorb the ambiguity and clarify it with communication. They pass it down to the workers.
“Comfortable with ambiguity” is code for “we don’t communicate effectively.” Yeah, it’s a red flag for us #ActuallyAutistic folks.
@andrewhinton @polotek i *strongly* recommend Pema Chödron's "Comfort with Uncertainty”
It was a really helpful meditation on how not to melt down when the ambiguity/uncertainty feels too much. Rather, Chodron encourages developing a certain approach to empathy that builds the strength for resilence against the feelings that spiral
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The challenge here isn’t hiring managers, it’s HR policy.
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I realize it’s nOt aLL hIriNg mAnAgErs, but most just want to address an organizational performance-challenge.
HR does not exist to serve managers or employees, it exists as a risk management function for the enterprise.
Creative solutions for problems introduce people risk, and HR’s role is to mitigate them.
You don’t always pick your industry, sometimes psychographics of a function pick you: look at the personalities of HR people.
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Employees are increasingly citing neurodiversity when faced with a performance review or dismissal. How should a business respond? Read for free on FT Edit, a…Financial Times (www.linkedin.com)
I'm ADHD myself, and my team is quite a cluster of neurodivergent folks (ADHD, ASD, plus "I don't think _that's_ what I have, but..."). There's challenges, but we manage.
But there's some jobs that require interfacing with multiple teams, and there's a huge uncertainty of "clients wanted this yesterday, but today they want the opposite".
Isn't it better to be honest about the nature of the job, and not hire people into a role they'll fail at?
And to be clear, I'm saying some of those "requirements" listed in the first toot _can_ be honest, and IMO it's good that they're spelled out so people self-select themselves out of jobs they won't be a good fit for.
Not the one about having a degree, though. That's just bullshit
Suck workplaces must be shitlisted.
Ambiguity is the refuge of the dishonest. I find ambiguity intensely offensive for this reason.
It's also the purview of the artist. The lady or the tiger?
Like tech. There is no bad tech, only bad applications of tech.
Can't agree there. “AI” is tech, and it's clearly bad, in terms of usefulness (hallucinations), what had to happen to create it (large-scale plagiarism), and what it's intended to do (replace human workers, which will result in the death by starvation of the vast majority of humankind).
@argv_minus_one @Uair
These all sounded like applications of technology.
I think Large Language Models (LLM) are a great tool for anthropology, and there is a need to do more anthropology of supremacist worldviews/etc.
Unfortunately, as you note, it is a technology that's abused.
The flaw isn't in the existence of the technology, but in other systems (Capitalism, Androcentrism, etc, etc) which use the technology in inappropriate/harmful ways.
I very *very* seriously doubt that. What we've seen so far is that “AI” mirrors and amplifies its creator's biases. If you want “AI” to eliminate supremacist world views, you're going to be disappointed.
Yes, the root cause of the problem is capitalism rather than “AI” itself, but since we live in a capitalist society and that's not going to change any time soon, it's best to do away with “AI” until then.
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@argv_minus_one @russellmcormond @Uair
To eliminate fashy supremacist worldviews from “AI” MIGHT involve such deep curation of the #TrainingData set as to make the entire effort economically unviable.
SHOT: superversive.co/blog/crystalli…
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The importance of Data Governance on Product Management seemed obvious to me. I went down a rabbithole trying to articulate terms like “technostructure” and “networked society” to explain why.Sam Panini (Superversive)
@paninid @argv_minus_one @Uair
It depends on what you are trying to use the LLM for.
I'm not sure what the purpose of injecting random data that is only curated by language. Even for "English", which English are you curationg? What population?
Even the notion that the worldviews of all English speaking populations is "universal" is false, and thus an uncurrated data set is GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out). It's an inappropriate use of the tech.
I know, it's one giant hilarious GIGOfest. It'll be almost as much fun watching the AI companies crash and burn as i'm having watching trump take down the republican party.
Any more congresscritters quit today?
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@russellmcormond @argv_minus_one @Uair
I have a feeling that uncurated #TrainingData sets are common, and now “user-generated data” is like pre-war steel in Geiger counters.
The well has already been poisoned, and we’re all just waiting to feel symptoms.
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My cyberpunk pastime in Midjourney is to imagine thousands of salt-and-thorium mini-reactors powering desalination plants supporting walkable American villages with e-rickshaws.Sam Panini (Superversive)
@paninid @russellmcormond @argv_minus_one @Uair
> I have a feeling that uncurated #TrainingData sets are common
I work in this field and can confirm that this is the case. I have rarely seen discussion on the matter in the workplace, either.
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@jschwa1 @russellmcormond @argv_minus_one @Uair
My thesis is that #LLMs are data products, and, as such, that implies that #ProductManagement must incorporate #FirstPrinciples of #DataGovernance, #DataStewardship, and #DataQuality in order to efficiently achieve desired objectives.
Otherwise, everyone is just wasting time and pissing away money, which is not a great message to deliver to the CFO signing off on the investment.
Once “AI” ceases to be impressive, maybe then people will start making something actually useful out of it.
I'm reminded of the video game crash of 1983. Everybody and their brother was in a rush to make something, anything, as long as it could conceivably be called a video game, to cash in on the hype. The resulting tsunami of s--t caused a market crash, the grifters scattered, and only *then* did truly good video games start to emerge.
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@argv_minus_one @jschwa1 @russellmcormond @Uair
This is basically the thesis of @pluralistic here: locusmag.com/2023/12/commentar…
Cory Doctorow: What Kind of Bubble is AI?
Of course AI is a bubble. It has all the hallmarks of a classic tech bubble. Pick up a rental car at SFO and drive in either direction on the 101 – north to San Francisco, south to Palo Alto – and …Locus Online
@paninid @argv_minus_one @jschwa1 @Uair @pluralistic
I want to highlight: "somehow escaping liability for these harms."
A core problem I see with Western worldviews: shielding from liability. Western Property being exclusivity without responsibility, Limited Liability corporations, etc.
Private benefits are inheritable, liabilities are limited. This breeds a culture and unstable economy based on irresponsibility.
Not even paying close to true *costs* of *energy* they consume.
@argv_minus_one @Uair
I was responding to: "AI is tech, and its clearly bad."
Societies which are Capitalist aren't going to ban AI because it amplifies harm from flaws of Capitalism. They don't see the flaws.
Same with any other ist/ism, as Capitalism isn't the only flawed ideology embedded in some worldviews.
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I was suggesting using AI to *study*, not to suggest AI could be used to change systems in use by those who don't see problems.
@russellmcormond @argv_minus_one
"AI", which really is a misnomer for a bunch of if->then loops, is in its infancy. It's a lightbulb in 1810.
Much more dangerous than electric light, tho. I personally would prefer to see its development under some sort of publically negotiated guidelines.
And we're back to capitalism. No matter. The state is ascendent these days. The republican criminals couldn't egress a clown car.
@Uair
BTW: Not everyone on Mastodon lives under the Government of the United States. I assume it is that specific set of "Republicans" you were referencing.
I live under the Canadian Crown, which is a partly different set of systems, even though also part of the British North American settler-colonialism.
I used "Capitalism" as a shortform. I personally consider Anthropocentrism, Androcentrism, and Colonialism to be larger issues.
@nddev
I am curious if these "darker connotations" are something you personally agree are dark?
I live under the Canadian Crown, same form of constitutional monarchy as UK (same underlying institution, even if separate in other ways).
I believe in #AbolishTheMonarchy #LandBack #Decolonization
I only consider myself "left wing" in the French Revolution sense, and not in the Marx vs Smith sense as I don't adhere to European/Christian economic theories.
@Jobob @nddev
Which still leaves with the question: Does Irish and Scottish independence have a "darker connotation" for you?
What is "terrorism" and what is "law and order" tends to be quite subjective ("our" side vs "theirs").
I bring this up as worldviews and subjectivities matter when looking at datasets used to "teach" LLM's. Even basic things like "who/what is a Republican" and "who/what is a terrorist" is far less "objective" than people believe.
The Scottish independence movement has rather carefully stayed away from those tactics and is fairly mainstream in Scottish politics at present.
I think allistics are “sign up first ask questions later” - it’s more important to them that you’d want to help than that you know you can, because they expect it to be figured out as they go - which is why they see asking for definitions etc as ‘resistance’. Idk how to smooth it over, that just seems to be where it comes from
The agile manifesto is what a group of experts in the field came up with after a three-day meeting.
IMHO it is hyped too much while not actually being considered at the same time.
They explicitly said in their first sentence that individuals > processes.
And yet, somebody made a big-A "Agile" thing out of it that is mostly processes.
Reminds me of one-or-another zen koan, where the student repeats the motions of the master exactly, only to be taught that he does it wrong.
Because he only repeats, without understanding.
@fishidwardrobe @dpnash
Managers: We want to have processes to put in a three-ring binder.
Agile manifesto: Blindly following processes is maybe not so good.
Managers: Great. Let's put that sentence in a three-ring binder.
@artemis
It’s really more like, boss has no fucking clue & promoted into a Peter Principle situation using Privilege, and only ‘wants things done’ and done for them. So you have to figure out their job for them, ‘anticipate their needs’, code for do your bosses job for them, while they take the credit and salary. Mind reading is part of the expectation of the job and used to arbitrarily criticize & keep down.
‘No good deed goes unpunished.’
@artemis @hosford42 @actuallyautistic @neurodivergence
do whatever we tell you, that’s your job, if we don’t tell you, just figure it out yourself bc that’s also your job, and you must laugh at our shit insulting jokes, you must suck our dicks and kiss our ass always figuratively and sometimes literally.
Anything goes, or you go.
Here’s 4x more work, don’t ask for more money.
@caocancio
With respect, my bosses had no fear of any retaliation, were incredibly abusive,
had extremely bad intentions, and only thought of themselves. They had power and authority and abused it.
@artemis
You must mind read, presume (this explains many just developing presumptions not facts or understanding), to do life, work, etc. this is expected (& worse don’t like it when you understand more than them)…but if you get depression or anxiety cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) says maybe YOU are wrong & you can’t mind read.
They condition you to mindread, then try to gaslight you or make you doubt yourself & your own mind more.
@mirabilos @fishidwardrobe @dpnash
Btw: "agile" doesn't mean "something like SCRUM".
And SCRUM more or less explicitly states that it is intended to be used in a "hostile environment".
IMHO, sprints "solve" two problems:
a) Customers want to know what they "get" for two or four weeks development effort. This kinda implies that the customers are directly paying for development.
b) Sprints are intended to keep the customers/managers/stakeholders away by giving them the chance for input once or twice a month, instead of "anytime they have a great idea for a feature". Additionally, sprint planning can be used to show customers/managers that their decisions actually cost money.
Implicitly: When a company uses SCRUM, it's because their customers or their managers are unreasonable.
@egallager
I mean, how can such a thing even be codified when ND people aren't even recognized except on an individual basis via the ADA (which itself is a practical nonstarter in interviews)? Social model of disability applies but only because in our society anyone sufficiently different - but not otherwise necessarily "disabled" - is at such a disadvantage.
The closest I've seen is the law here in Ca. that mandates the salary or range for a position be posted or otherwise released. It's piecemeal, but pieces can be put in place.
Comparing 6b33455..1de71d9 · cooljeanius/legislation
drafts of LSRs I intend to file, am filing, or have filed as a legislator - Comparing 6b33455..1de71d9 · cooljeanius/legislationGitHub
Yes always could do the algebra about 20-25 seconds sometimes a couple minutes faster in my head then classmates trig and calc were harder, math is my weakest point, meaning there’s so much math that’s useful and if I actually had the time to live I imagine I could learn a lot more complex math. It’s just whether I have an interest and I see how it’s going to impact life. I use solve for the unknown as a way of life 🤣
Fortunately, they let me dump new tickets into the current sprint any time I like. When new requests come in, I have to start looking into them and ensure the requirements are OK so that we can close them as quickly as possible. Waiting 2 weeks for the next sprint won't work.
When new project managers came in, I had to explain this multiple times, but they trusted me to know the project and went with it 👍
@fishidwardrobe @dpnash @hosford42 @wakame @actuallyautistic @neurodivergence
@mirabilos @wakame @dpnash I was also the SM and the PO wasn't interested in dailies (and neither was I). I really wasn't doing Scrum, just trying to follow the Manifesto using sprints.
Feedback from the users was good - they liked that I could tell them what I'd be working on and when they could test it. And it meant I could juggle two big projects -- while I was coding a sprint for A the testing team for B was testing last week's changes...
@mirabilos @wakame @dpnash I did not bother doing standups with myself ;)
I suppose I did do a very informal post sprint retro of a sort? In that I asked myself what had worked and what hadn't at the end of the week, and put that in my work diary.
I don't know how Agile it really was, but I'd certainly do it again.
This happens much. You arrive at the situation everyone is screaming because everyone is trying to fix thier own little section of what they handle.
Analysis of systems, if you know their purpose, you can understand where specific hangups happen, what it looks like socially as well by just observation, I don’t know how I got my system. I got complimented today, even with only 1/4 of my normal capacity for my brain. adhd impact 9/10
It's data additions, not bugfixing, but just like with bug fixing, we have to get started right away, because it's a blocker and the people who request it can't get started on new projects without it.
Oh, and thankfully they don't ask me for story points for these and trust me to manage and prioritize my own work load 🥳
@fishidwardrobe @dpnash @hosford42 @wakame @actuallyautistic @neurodivergence
The first thing they asked me when they took over the project management was: How can we help you? What do you need?
That's what a good manager should to, find out what the team actually needs to get the job done.
@fishidwardrobe @dpnash @hosford42 @wakame @actuallyautistic @neurodivergence
@jeang3nie @Uair @mirabilos
Well cracking into some things aren’t naturally easy, and take dedication, and learning how you maybe focus best, how you can relate or maybe what you want to do later in life. I think some people say oh well, I’m too old to do this.
Some people talk about change but don’t think about trying other methods because they can’t risk things getting any worse.
Some people say this is me. I like the way I am.
@mirabilos
I respect people who identify with these values.
I do feel people try thier best and it’s largely systemic.
I just run personal trials on myself to see how certain routines work. Trying to make a healthier lifestyle, gradual improvements some are mental hacks. Challenge my own belief systems and why I prefer or think how I do. Expand perspective for fun.
the Amygdalai Lama is blocked
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how I feel. COVID took my breath away, I don't want to invite the stroke or cardio event trying to get my breath back.
I'm sick now, permanently convalescing.
Well I personally take a long time to figure out ultimately how I feel about something largely because I’m experiencing things now on an emotional level as well much more in depth. At first it was like sensory overload for the first six months. I realized I was doing a trauma response and ignoring my own expression of emotion because I felt it wasn’t important.
Solving my own problems are 10x harder typically then solving others. I have so many pains daily, I’m 44 and I know people 80 yrs old that don’t feel as much pain as me. I talk to them without a social mask. At least to thier ability. They could have implicit bias and not know. But they say they feel great. 😌
Well, I look at it this way we have survived this long in the game we may survive longer so all we have to do is make small changes over time and before you know it you get your life back. It’s largely about having the patience to pace yourself and reason to do so. For me
My unfavorite was "entry level unpaid internship position, must have bachelor's degree and five years experience and professional, fashion-forward appearance for consideration"
(yes, I saw that in one ad, was like WTF)
@mybarkingdogs
> fashion-forward appearance
I'm struggling to imagine any position outside of the public sphere (models, actors, politicians) or customer-facing positions where this would even be relevant.
Umm, I have considered it but I don’t live in a state the supports it and I’m on controls. So I have to be compliant to be functional lol. After you change your new normal, it’s tough to climb out on that ledge to see if it works. If I were in a state like Oregon I would talk to people who have worked clinical though. It just isn’t practical at this point. My friend did auyhusca or something in South America.
I have cats otherwise I get most of my enjoyment from just living and learning, experiencing. My best toy is my imagination 😂
@EVDHmn @jeang3nie @mirabilos
Just wondering. It teaches disassociative irony. Like a fun trauma.
You'd either greatly benefit by trippping or be destroyed. In my day it was like the old way of teaching a kid how to swim--chuck them in deep water and force them to figure it out.
It's prob a lot safer under medical supervision.
@mirabilos
My best toy is my imagination 😂
All my friends are make believe:
m.youtube.com/watch?v=EaPfzgUF…
Bloodhound Gang - Your Only Friends Are Make Believe
Filmed in Agua Dulce, California, United States Of America.YouTube
@jeang3nie @Dr_Obvious @EVDHmn @mirabilos
I think we shoukd put a respected disseminator of information in charge of that project.
I recommended it to Harper's magazine :)
@mirabilos
It's gatekeeping.
Also, a traditional liberal arts degree taught the art and craft of wielding power. That's why it was a gateway to the managerial class.
That's why it's been eliminated. Don't look at the man behind the curtain. The matrix is enough for the peasants to see.
@rebekka_m @Dr_Obvious @crashglasshouses
We have this, and it works pretty decently.
I did in fact change paths a couple years ago... although I will likely change again in a few years. Surprise, surprise, no predefined category fits me particularly well 😉
We have a bunch of different paths, though.
Software engineering, engineering management, product management, technical direction, technical artist...
@DrSuzanne I have put some of these requirements in hiring ads myself specifically as a warning to others. In an ideal world I would create an environment where someone new comes in and they have clear expectations and requirements to solve deep technical problems. But the reality is usually that the customer/pm/management changes their minds every week, or the problem is more a social than a technical problem, but there is enough of a technical aspect that we still need a technical hire.
I can't speak for every hiring ad, but sometimes these are put in as warning signs with the best of intentions.
@jeang3nie @Uair @EVDHmn @mirabilos
> delivery method
Currently watching my kids' teachers slowly squeeze all potential love for math from their little noggins with endless homework assignments.
Why do math teachers get this so universally wrong? The way to get kids to learn math is to make it fun and tickle their curiosity, not to beat it into them until they want to cry and never open a math book again. Sure, provide practice exercises as a *resource*, but don't require the kids to spend 2 hours chained to a desk every night doing something they already understand well enough, over and over and over.
I like managers who realize their job is to support and enable the workers to get stuff done, not self-aggrandizement. Managers are not "above" their team. They are peers, with a different role.
Yup. I'm managing two folks that are 1 and 2 levels above me in career progression. And it's fine!
@shannonpersists @skye @wakame @yacc143 @pteryx @Uair@autistics.life @hosford42 @EVDHmn @actuallyautistic @neurodivergence Apparently, yes, but it's complicated.
Also,
youtu.be/3JdWlSF195Y
Does the sun rotate?
As a ball of ultra-hot gas, how does the sun rotate? This complex form of rotation drives some fascinating phenomena.Robert Lea (Space)
@foolishowl @shannonpersists @skye @wakame @yacc143 @pteryx @EVDHmn
> yes, but it's complicated
The right answer to almost every question about whether something happens in nature. lol
tangent: I have seen ppl who are domain experts who are not actually good at the job (sometimes for physical reasons for example,they don't have the quick hands that the young guns do). I think they make for good managers.
That and also knowing *good* management theory, like you know breaking up work & dishin it out in an efficient manner (like according to who is good at what etc)
The common insistance on hybrid or on-site.
They can fuck right off with that. I've had enough of the added distractions and stress of constant observation and (distracting) stim suppression to last me a lifetime. Especially open offices, those things are awful.
Add to this that we're *still* in a pandemic and they usually don't do *anything* to address ongoing biohazards? No thanks.
Plus with my allergies that means that basically any time outside of winter that I'm exposed to unfiltered air, I'm going to have all sorts of distracting symptoms.
Mandatory in-person team-building events have some of the very same issues, on top of the added awkwardness and annoyance for something that I did not want to do nor am I getting paid to do. If you want team spirit/dedication/whatever? Pay me well, make me work in conditions I find conducive to my existence (rather than hostile), and on something that isn't awfully unethical, so that suppressing my morals and values isn't an active part of my work duties (it's incredibly straining to do so).
@mirabilos @fishidwardrobe @dpnash
We use a process vaguely scrum shaped but found out early on that it was impossible to ever complete all tasks on a sprint, even if everyone was only given 1 thing to do, because of all the unpredictable factors of software development.
@wakame @mirabilos @hosford42 @fishidwardrobe @actuallyautistic @dpnash @neurodivergence
Not to be nitpicking, but does that price anything beyond that the sunspots move around, eg like clouds .
You just have observed some objects moving on the sun. Hard to tell from the distance if the whole ball moves or just a layer?
@foolishowl @shannonpersists @skye @wakame @pteryx @hosford42 @EVDHmn @actuallyautistic @neurodivergence
@wakame
@mirabilos @hosford42 @fishidwardrobe @actuallyautistic @dpnash @neurodivergence
@yacc143 @dpnash @foolishowl @shannonpersists@mastodon.social @skye @pteryx @hosford42 @EVDHmn @actuallyautistic @neurodivergence
Since it's a big, burning gas thing, the definition of "whole" might be a problem by itself.
@wakame @yacc143 @dpnash @foolishowl @skye @pteryx @EVDHmn differential rotation. Apparently helioseismology is how you work out what's going on underneath.
I suspect but cannot confirm, that measuring heliomagnetism can give insights on the flows underneath the surface since it is a plasma, hence material flows roughly constitute flows of charge.
@fishidwardrobe @wakame @mirabilos @dpnash EXACTLY!
It's like #NoDeploymentOnFridays both professional courtesy and self-care as well as mutual care in one...
Everyone gets their stuff sorted and devs don't get their time wasted with pointless calls all the time, dragging them out of their tunneled focus zone for every tiny nuisance...
@jeang3nie @Uair @EVDHmn @mirabilos @actuallyautistic @neurodivergence
"Culture Fit" is always a quiet statement that means something specific. For good or bad.
Sometimes it means "We're looking for bros to bro out with us" and sometimes it means "We're looking for people with a strong sense of justice".
Weird thing is, in my experience, quite a few autistic people are significantly more comfortable with ambiguity than most allistic people, as long as the ambiguity is explicit.
At least for me, it's the ambiguity of having to figure out what people want, when those people often don't know what they want themselves.
Intertwined with that difficulty is the difficulty of navigating feelings and attitudes. People may be reluctant to admit that they don't 1/3
Problem with ambiguity is IMHO simply the potential consequences.
Type A: We have this problem and about two dozen approaches we could apply but we are not sure which one is the best...
This is totally okay and even fun.
Type B: You have to react to this ambiguous situation in exactly one certain, socially acceptable way or you will be punished.
This is obviously not okay.
@wakame @jozeldenrust
I’m currently having difficulty with a coworker who is angry with me and won’t explain why she’s angry with me.
The more I ask her to please tell me what I’ve done, the angrier she gets: “You know! You’re just trying to piss me off!!!”
And I recognize this as a repeat of my whole relationship with my parents as well: Them always pissed off at me, but never telling me WHAT I’ve done or WHY that’s angered them. Just that constant “You KNOW what you did! You’re just TRYING to piss me off!”
Just leaves me confused and heartbroken.
I am not TRYING to antagonize ANYBODY. All I am EVER trying to do is a good job.
@hannu_ikonen @hryggrbyr
IMHO all Datas would likely be like an "all autistics" convention:
Data 1: I have considered trying to make "soup".
Data 2: Interesting. Are you going to take a random recipe or will you apply a more statistical approach?
Date 3: And how will you evaluate the result? Maybe you could build a sensor that imitates "tasting"...
Now I wonder if there are any ADHD coded/matching characters in TNG, because none come to mind...
@wakame I see elements (of ADHD) in the portrayal of Ro Laren, and in the portrayal of others' response to her. Could also simply be similarities in experience that I'm relating to 😅
@iacore The thing about systemic ableism is, there really isn't someone specific to point the blame at. It's the whole arrangement that is faulty. We all participate to some degree. It's not about judging people so much as taking responsibility to correct it. The only time judgment of a person comes into it is when someone willfully acts to maintain the status quo or shirk their social responsibilities.
You can tell the difference between systemic ableism and incompetence by who is affected. If it's everyone, it's incompetence. If it's disabled people in particular, it's ableism. (It can also be both at once, if everyone is affected but disabled folks are affected more.)
!Friendica Admins I need some help with a transfer. My living situation is up in the air so i need to transfer my environment to a remote setup until it solidifies, I'm trying to migrate the storage to S3 but I keep running into an issue.
When I use console storage move, it works for a bit, moves around 253 items... then starts giving an error message like [Error] Cannot put data for reference 31d56e0ccb8e2a30d6cd79ab2e85c974ed99e87a3339957efbda9a58cbe423bc
, the hash changes each time and it just immediately gives me that error no longer moving anything else.
I'm still on 2023.12, I was intending to make the upgrade along with the move due to the involved downtime. I really need to get this transferred right away because I need to have the server on my desk shut down in the next day or two... can y'all help be figure out how to get past this error message and get the storage transferred up?
How about moving the storage items back into the database, via the console command?
I did that once and it took quite some time though. Afterwards you can upload the DB and configuration file to a new VPS installation.
It's likly not to be quick, but probably the least experimental.
@Shiri Bailem
The idea would be that once everything is back into the DB you could move it to S3 storage.
Just to check are you trying to migrate from local storage to S3?
@Shiri Bailem
@Andy H3 It's in local storage because it won't fit on the database 😭
In my setup the database is stored locally on a replicated ZFS volume between two servers while the image storage is remotely stored on NFS
Oh, that sounds tricky.
I wish I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression that the various storage systems are not yet very well developed.
It you can get some temporary drive linked up for your DB dump that has the pictures moved back, you might be in a better position for S3.
Hopefully someone else might have some better recommendations.
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Let me get this straight
A global conspiracy, involving every country on earth for 40+ years in order to spread mind-control chemicals from planes is real
Yet climate change is false
Hey Republicans from The South: ever wonder why no one takes y’all seriously?
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@Charlie Stross @flexghost. as someone stuck in Texas... 100% agree they'll completely forget, then backpedal like crazy, then turn around and introduce a dozen different amendments all of which that introduces another random side effect...
But their constituents will blindly praise them for it at every turn.
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Doesn't the law specify that it's illegal if it's done with the intent to influence a number of things, including the weather? If agriculture or pests aren't on that list, then crop dusting might still be legal. But aerosols in the upper atmosphere to reduce solar heat reaching the surface and fight global warming through geoengineering is clearly illegal now.
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@leeourand @Lazarou Bear in mind the pizza parlour child sex rings are a modern riff on the classic mediaeval anti-semitic Blood Libel: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_li…
(Pizza is a type of flatbread/unleavened bread. And children are ritually abused or murdered in secret according to the blood libel. The Qanon thing just updates it into an anti-semitic dog-whistle rather than saying the quiet part out loud.)
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A white cat named Pumpkin. A tabby named Oreo. An orange cat named Shadow.
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It's rainy today, and a little cold, so I decided to make some hot chocolate. While I did, adding a pinch of this and a splash of that, I was reminded of the stereotype of an older woman in the family having recipes with no measurements. The younger person is bewildered, and the first time they make it is a disaster. Today, I think I truly understood *why* those kinds of recipes don't have measurements. They're built of experience, and knowledge. The more you cook, the more you make these recipes, the more likely you are to make something delicious, even if it's not exactly the same. You may not know what "a pinch of salt" means at first try, but by the third time, you'll probably know how much is too much, and how much is too little. This knowledge is passed down through experience, trial and error, and learning from those who came before.
There is value in having the instructions written out in very clear specifications. And there is value in being forced to do it wrong before you get it right
Anyway, here's my hot chocolate recipe:
-enough milk to fill your mug
-1 pouch Abuelita instant hot chocolate
-a sprinkle of cinnamon
-a dash of nutmeg
-a hefty splash of Molina vanilla extract
Put all ingredients in a small pot, and give a good stir to break up the clumps. Turn the stove to a low heat, and stir constantly (so the milk doesn't burn [seriously, it happens so quick, don't leave it to chance]). Keep stirring until the solids are fully dissolved into the milk, and it's at the heat you want. Pour and enjoy.
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Hey y'all! Say Hi to my delightful sister! @emilie_stims
She's new to the whole fediverse thing and a little overwhelmed. If you want to catch her interest, I recommend talking about birds, ren faire, singing, and folklore as some easy topics!
But do me a favor and let her know how friendly the fediverse is ❤
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I might actually end up using Signal.
My issue has always been how it takes over your phone number...
theintercept.com/2024/03/04/si…
Signal’s New Usernames Help Keep the Cops Out of Your Data
Ephemeral usernames instead of phone numbers safeguard privacy — and makes the Signal messenger app even harder to subpoena.Micah Lee (The Intercept)
Any usage of "AI" detection is trash and accomplishes nothing but hurting innocent people.
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Grammarly use lands college kid on probation | FOX 5 News
A University of North Georgia student is on academic probation after she says she used Grammarly to proofread her paper. After submitting her work through Tu...YouTube
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@miss__Tery
I think they wanted a dialface clock, not a digital.
10 past 11 is indeed 11:10
It's "half five" that is stupid, because it means "half past five" in English, but "half past four" in many continental countries (half-way to five).
@zyd @dorgaldir @actuallyautistic
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German, Slavic, Nordic all have the half five bit meaning 16:30.
"Kvart over" and "kvart i" is for quarter past and quarter to in Danish. Without the prepositions, that would be rather confusing to me as well.
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@alstonvicar Such a tiny ignorance is nothing to feel ashamed of.
Other air out much larger ignorances with gusto :D
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in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •Draw a small analog clock...
Just 1 word makes a lot of difference
With the formulation in above test, you can't say "wrong" 🤷
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But look at your mobile, oven, microwave, smartwatch etc etc. How does it show time nowadays?
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in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •I cried all day and all night. Luckily my parents were kind 🙂 they discussed this with some friends, then with my teacher. My teacher was very kind, talked to me on the phone and said I was right to assume what I assumed and the question needs to be clearer. Even this didn’t help me feel better. That sadness and disappointment never ceased. Looking back, this was one my first experiences with how the societally accepted mind works. And the seeds of me believing I will be always wrong whatever I do, say, decide, were being planted. Now I have a forest living inside me.
Log 🪵
in reply to Georgy • • •A drawer has 8 blue socks and 6 red socks. How many socks does one need to remove from the drawer to get a pair?
My answer: 2; the "correct" answer: 9.
The question did not specify that the sock draws were blind. The question did not specify that a pair consists of two socks of the same color, rather than the colloquial meaning of "pair", which is 2. The question did not address why all socks are evil foot-stranglers.
Georgy
in reply to Log 🪵 • • •Log 🪵
in reply to Georgy • • •nellie-m
in reply to Georgy • • •Yes. I would have totally regarded this as a trick question. Such an ordinary everyday thing to do: open drawer, pick two socks, done.
the Amygdalai Lama
in reply to nellie-m • • •the Amygdalai Lama is blocked
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I simply walked through it, did the math - because way down there in the single integers I can sort of do math. 😀
Log 🪵
in reply to the Amygdalai Lama • • •the Amygdalai Lama
in reply to the Amygdalai Lama • • •the Amygdalai Lama is blocked
Because if not, my socks tend to become right and left socks and then it could take more 😀
Log 🪵
in reply to the Amygdalai Lama • • •the Amygdalai Lama
in reply to Log 🪵 • • •the Amygdalai Lama is blocked
Julie Smith
in reply to Georgy • • •@Georgy *gentle "hug" 💝
@dorgaldir @actuallyautistic
Danger mouse
in reply to Hugs4friends ♾🇺🇦 🇵🇸😷 • • •Neurotypical definition of "right": It is only "right" if it matches my implicit requirements.
Joanna McKenzie
in reply to Danger mouse • • •Danger mouse
in reply to Joanna McKenzie • • •@Jobob @Tooden @alstonvicar @zyd @miss__Tery
This, of course, leads to how the typical neurotypical student/parent reacts:
"The teacher is always right, because they have a higher social standing."
immibis
in reply to Danger mouse • • •Israel is right to do genocide because it has higher social standing.
Politicians aren't neurological, mind you - they're psychopaths.
Everyday.Human Derek
in reply to Danger mouse • • •@wakame @Jobob @Tooden @alstonvicar @zyd @miss__Tery
My teacher taught me the rules of accuracy,and humility.
If I am wrong then please illustrate conclusively and precisely what you would like me to do.
I am student and it is your duty as teacher illustrated to me by the education system.
Should you wish not to fulfill my request I will respectfully request your superior to teach you how this works as I’m sure you only wish to fulfill your duty as do I.
Nick 🫣
in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •Caddi
in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •But the exercise in this case was badly phrased, therefore the teachers fault.
Tom
in reply to Caddi • • •StarkRG
in reply to Tom • • •Tom
in reply to StarkRG • • •webhat
in reply to Tom • • •@Tom @StarkRG @Caddi I read it as students need to make it clear that they don't understand
Which I don't completely agree with. Some students aren't able to make it clear they can't understand, through no fault of their own
Tom
in reply to webhat • • •cybervegan (moved)
in reply to Tom • • •Tom
in reply to cybervegan (moved) • • •Caddi
in reply to Tom • • •Tom
in reply to Caddi • • •@Caddi
That's an interesting response...
@cybervegan @webhat @StarkRG @dorgaldir @actuallyautistic
Robert [KJ5ELX] :donor:
in reply to Caddi • • •Seph‽ 🌳 🐦 🐟 🔔
in reply to apm77 • • •Danger mouse
in reply to apm77 • • •@apm77 @miss__Tery @zyd
In school, I often had the feeling that an explanation by a teacher was like a paved road for neurotypical students.
For me, it was more like a river with slippery stones dropped in here and there.
And I kept wondering why the others didn't see the gaping holes in what was supposed to be a "road". How the things a teacher said didn't really "connect" to each other, requiring large leaps of faith.
Of course, neither students nor teachers were able to explain how that stone over there connects to this one right here.
Especially in math, often not only the explanations of the teacher, but also the materials were wrong.
(Shoutout to my math book insisting that "supremum" and "maximum" are the same thing.)
apm77
in reply to Seph‽ 🌳 🐦 🐟 🔔 • • •Kate Fosk
in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •Shufei 🫠
in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •Sean C.
in reply to Shufei 🫠 • • •Seph‽ 🌳 🐦 🐟 🔔
in reply to Sean C. • • •Shufei 🫠
in reply to Seph‽ 🌳 🐦 🐟 🔔 • • •Woozle Hypertwin
in reply to MarkNW • • •I agree with the analogue clock interpretation. When I was in school, digital clocks were fairly rare, so the issue didn't come up much -- but teachers (especially NT teachers) may not realize how much the context has changed, and what assumptions might be affected by that. (That only explains the lack of clarity in the instructions; it does not excuse marking the answer "wrong" -- because it is absolutely correct.)
Woozle Hypertwin
in reply to Danger mouse • • •@wakame @Jobob @Tooden @alstonvicar @zyd @miss__Tery
I've heard so many stories of teachers being irritated, or even punishing a student, when a student offers an accurate correction to something the teacher has said.
This bad but also authoritarianism WAI.
(WAI = coder-speak for "working as intended", often followed by WONTFIX)
Shufei 🫠
in reply to Woozle Hypertwin • • •Danger mouse
in reply to Woozle Hypertwin • • •Yep. School as a "social filter".
"The purpose of a system is what it does."
Mobile Suit Larry
in reply to MarkNW • • •ferricoxide
in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •💙 Bwee the Fluffdragon 💙
in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •:fourthwall: █████ :fourthwall: (( MagmaSys ))
in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •Joe
in reply to apm77 • • •@apm77 @miss__Tery @zyd
Well that's a bad question if the answer given isn't considered correct, because it is 10 past 11 on a small clock. If I drew an analogue clock and the angle to the 2 wasn't exactly 60 degrees, would I be wrong? And would the hour hand have had to move 1/6 the way between the 11 and 12 for it to be correct?
I have more questions than answers for this teacher.
Sayuri 💛⬜️💜🖤 ΘΔ
in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •Seph‽ 🌳 🐦 🐟 🔔
in reply to Woozle Hypertwin • • •nellie-m
in reply to Danger mouse • • •@wakame @Jobob @Tooden @alstonvicar @zyd @miss__Tery
I remember watching a Tony Atwood talk at a conference (on yT). He said an autistic child with a special interest may know more about it than the teacher, will point out inaccuracies and expect them to be grateful for it. Everyone in the audience laughed. And I thought:
1/2
nellie-m
in reply to nellie-m • • •@wakame @Jobob @Tooden @alstonvicar @zyd @miss__Tery
well of course the teacher should be grateful, having an expert point out a mistake or bringing them up to date. You don’t want a whole class to learn something wrong, do you?
And you see - that’s my own little private NT test. They always laugh about things that aren’t funny.
the Amygdalai Lama
in reply to nellie-m • • •the Amygdalai Lama is blocked
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They seriously are certain that the world runs on authority.
They seriously don't think it is possible to run say, a grocery store, voluntarily. They think humans could not run say, a doctor's office cooperatively, for some neurological reason.
🙄
Richard W. Woodley RNKD BLTS 🇨🇦🌹🚴♂️📷 🗺️
in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •Would be interesting to know what type of clock was in the classroom, or do classrooms not have clocks anymore.
the Amygdalai Lama
in reply to the Amygdalai Lama • • •the Amygdalai Lama is blocked
the Amygdalai Lama
in reply to the Amygdalai Lama • • •the Amygdalai Lama is blocked
my glory days 😀
I loved that role, backup, fill in, completionist, correcter ❤️
nellie-m
in reply to the Amygdalai Lama • • •yes, I had a couple of teachers who seemed to like my „arguing“ with them and gave me good grades. Maybe they were autistic, too, and loved that a student was genuinely interested in their favourite subject?
the Amygdalai Lama
in reply to nellie-m • • •the Amygdalai Lama is blocked
maybe. He had this one motivational speech, repeated a few times, because after grade seven then and here was high school, where you'd "sink or swim," unless you did the work. I didn't like the speech - and I promptly sank. 😘
Paul SomeoneElse
in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •The the tax form asking if i own my own home ...
the bank does, but the answer is still yes. same energy
Ciggy Bringer of Smoke
in reply to Seph‽ 🌳 🐦 🐟 🔔 • • •@melivia @apm77 @miss__Tery @zyd
This entire discussion is so weird to me because I was exactly that piss taker who would provide a technically correct answer to prove my cleverness, and I only rarely got in trouble or felt put out for being told not to do that.
Broken Aesops are my favorite because the entire point of them is humorously erroneous but logical conclusions from the same set of parameters that regular Aesops draw from.
I apologize to everyone that has suffered in my feisty wake but taunting people with a clever unexpected answer is a hoot.
Franchesca
in reply to Danger mouse • • •Franchesca
in reply to Woozle Hypertwin • • •Danger mouse
in reply to Franchesca • • •myrmepropagandist
in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •As a teacher I'd give full credit for that. The question is poorly worded.
It also means I'd get to teach them the meaning of the word "analog"
Toni :neocat_flag_bi: 🏳️⚧️ 🏳️🌈
in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •Sensitive content
Me: sees a small clock showing 10 minutes past 11 in the image
Me: sees the teacher assuming a problem even though the student followed the directions as stated
also me: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! If you want an analog clock SAY THAT JUST SAY WHAT YOU MEAN, HOW HARD IS THAT?
random thoughts
in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •🌟ジギーくん
in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •Josh
in reply to 🌟ジギーくん • • •Jeffrey Hulten
in reply to Josh • • •There's YouTube videos for that. Apparently you need a mason jar and a reciprocating saw.
Josh
in reply to Jeffrey Hulten • • •Jeffrey Hulten
in reply to Josh • • •I would never kid about power tools and butter.
ScottinSoCal 🇺🇦 🕊 🏳🌈
in reply to Josh • • •@jcmrva
I accidentally made dessert butter, once. Suitable for pancakes, waffles, baking sweets. It was supposed to be whipped cream for Thanksgiving pies, but I got distracted and the mixer kept mixing until we had dessert butter.
@zigi_now9 @dorgaldir @actuallyautistic
Jeffrey Hulten
Unknown parent • • •Sean C.
in reply to Shufei 🫠 • • •@Shufei @woozle @alstonvicar @zyd @miss__Tery i have and continue to work for people who do this -- it's about the process and not the result that matters
and of course there can be only one right process to get the answer
alastair87
in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •jn
in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •Hugs4friends ♾🇺🇦 🇵🇸😷
in reply to nellie-m • • •nellie-m
in reply to Hugs4friends ♾🇺🇦 🇵🇸😷 • • •I had an agreement with a maths teacher in one of my apprenticeships - as long as I kept good grades in tests I was allowed to silently learn Italian in class 😂
Looking for explanations…
in reply to Woozle Hypertwin • • •@woozle @wakame @Jobob @Tooden @alstonvicar @zyd @miss__Tery
As a teacher I can say that sometimes it is the case, but not always.
Many teachers, knowing that the student is at least somewhat capable, will assume that the student is being a “smart arse”. There are plenty of students who will know exactly what the teacher meant, partly because of the fact that the test has come after a unit of work on telling the time on analogue clocks, but has chosen to interpret the question “wrongly” as a joke &/or to annoy the teacher.
However teachers “should” know their students well enough to realise, or at least allow for the possibility, that a student has misinterpreted the question by being “too” literal. Of course, wording the question accurately would avoid such issues and should always be the goal.
Woozle Hypertwin
in reply to Sean C. • • •I wonder if beliefs like this are behind a lot of the way democracy (especially in the US) has been going off the rails lately -- voters not really understanding how things work, and having only a set of rituals which they apply in various circumstances, and we end up with absolutely abysmal people in positions of power.
Shufei 🫠
in reply to Woozle Hypertwin • • •MarkNW
in reply to Rob van Kan • • •MarkNW
in reply to nellie-m • • •I think when I was a teacher I was happy to be corrected by students - but I know some of my colleagues felt very threatened by the possibility of not knowing something a student did. That made no sense to me - I always thought a teacher should model good learning.
MarkNW
in reply to MarkNW • • •nellie-m
in reply to MarkNW • • •@alstonvicar @Tooden @wakame @Jobob @zyd @miss__Tery
yes, why not look it up together 💛
Hands down the best ever maths lesson was the one where the teacher had given us an unsolvable homework because there was a typo in our book. He then said okay, let’s figure out what’s wrong here, he didn’t know either, and we all did it together. That felt fantastic!
Looking for explanations…
in reply to MarkNW • • •I now realise that some of those students who knew more & were delighted to share their knowledge were probably autistic. (And there would’ve been others who kept quiet as part of their masking as I eventually learned to do. I still remember telling myself not to answer as many questions in class, or in as much detail.) But I was often delighted & felt privileged to witness the superior knowledge &/or intellect of some students. One of the privileges of teaching.
nellie-m
in reply to Looking for explanations… • • •@Susan60 @alstonvicar @Tooden @wakame @Jobob @zyd @miss__Tery
yes, I think becoming a teacher is what quite a few of us will feel drawn towards. And I think we’re good ones if we find the right environment.
I’m sure you’ve made a difference in the life of many an autistic student 💛
GinevraCat
in reply to Hugs4friends ♾🇺🇦 🇵🇸😷 • • •GinevraCat
in reply to MarkNW • • •MarkNW
in reply to GinevraCat • • •Looking for explanations…
in reply to nellie-m • • •@nellie_m @alstonvicar @Tooden @wakame @Jobob @zyd @miss__Tery
I hope so, & NT students too. Finding a good supportive environment is the challenge. I left the profession nearly 7 years ago, tired of a difficult system & masking, without realising I was doing so.
A new program involving teachers watching each other teach & giving feedback was part of what finished me. The feedback was meant to be encouraging, but poor training meant that some teachers were harshly critiquing their colleagues. Just knowing that that could happen (it didn’t) was stressful. (One assistant principal watched me teach & gave very affirming feedback, but she was not typical of the leadership style at that school.)
And then there were the student surveys. 14yos can be scathing (almost competetively so), & we’re much more likely to notice negative feedback than the rare positive stuff.
But I also received some lovely feedback from some students & parents over the years.
nellie-m
in reply to Looking for explanations… • • •that sounds awfully stressful indeed. I’m sorry. Kind of tragic that something that’s meant to improve things can backfire so badly, making the very people leave that should really stay.
Nick 🫣
in reply to Looking for explanations… • • •@actuallyautistic
Looking for explanations…
in reply to Nick 🫣 • • •I know that there’s a lot of good NT teachers out there, but I wonder how many of those who reached out to support particular students did so because they were autistic & more empathetic & sensitive to the needs of those students? I was sometimes scoffed at & told I “cared too much”.
Nick 🫣
in reply to Looking for explanations… • • •That's a question I've been wondering about, as to whether they were autistic or not. I suspect they weren't but it's all guesswork for me. I just regarded them as nice people. I marvel the most at our 6th grade teacher, a Marine in ww2 that it seems managed to survive the war in the larger sense. Our parents seemed to have some idea what he had been through but we never got a hint of it.
@nellie_m @alstonvicar @Tooden @wakame @Jobob @zyd @miss__Tery @dorgaldir @actuallyautistic
Nick 🫣
in reply to Nick 🫣 • • •@Susan60
2/2 In later years some of us students ran across him out in public and he remembered our names and wanted to hear how we were doing, what our plans were ect.
Both my parents, my grandmother on my mother's side and her mother too were teachers but looking back none of them had any nack for dealing with autism. Hearing your experiences I feel like I was lucky I didn't try to follow that path.
@nellie_m @alstonvicar @Tooden @wakame @Jobob @zyd @miss__Tery @dorgaldir @actuallyautistic
Looking for explanations…
in reply to Nick 🫣 • • •Looking for explanations…
in reply to Nick 🫣 • • •Some former soldiers ended up as teachers & were awfully unsuited, or found it too stressful on top of ptsd, but others seemed to be perfectly suited to the job. My French teacher was strict & humourless, but not unfair. She was a Holocaust survivor from the camps.,
Nick 🫣
in reply to Looking for explanations… • • •Ha, pen clicking and leg jiggling. That's always gotten on my nerves when from others. But I think I only did it at home and not school. School aside, my guess is that autistic/adhd folks experiencing each other (assuming the subject of autism is foreign) is a real roll of the dice as to how it goes. I know moving forward I'm going to really try to practice being more forgiving and tolerant.
@nellie_m @alstonvicar @Tooden @wakame @Jobob @zyd @miss__Tery @dorgaldir @actuallyautistic
Nick 🫣
in reply to Looking for explanations… • • •Nick 🫣
in reply to Looking for explanations… • • •I finally don't feel like I have to tolerate it. @nellie_m @alstonvicar @Tooden @wakame @Jobob @zyd @miss__Tery @dorgaldir @actuallyautistic
J H Libby
in reply to Shufei 🫠 • • •@Shufei @woozle @filmfreak75 @alstonvicar @zyd @miss__Tery It's doubtful that drift is borne of one overall decision -- more likely a series of diversions to the paths of least resistance.
Schools, e.g., may feel pressure to recruit by promising success in the job market (or gain business support by delivering a trained workforce), which crowds-out the goal of preparing them for intelligent citizenship. That path has huge consequences down the line.
Kevin Karhan :verified:
in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •Hailey
in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •Rachel Rawlings
Unknown parent • • •Li ~ Crystal System
in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •Shiri Bailem
in reply to Li ~ Crystal System • • •like this
Haelus Novak and Katrina Katrinka :donor: like this.
Miss Tery
in reply to Rachel Rawlings • • •Kuru Kuru :herta_speen: or something
in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •This is the type of teacher that demands to have respect too.
It's always annoying when teachers and/or professors demand respect when they do nothing to earn it and/or failed into the position.
The teachers who care about their students and go out of their way to teach their students worth of respect, but respect should be earned, not given.
Migrated to @luana@wetdry.world 🏳️🌈🎃🇧🇷Luana🇧🇷🎃🏳️🌈
in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •Dremmwel ar Vran Ruz
in reply to Migrated to @luana@wetdry.world 🏳️🌈🎃🇧🇷Luana🇧🇷🎃🏳️🌈 • • •Mind Shambles
in reply to Migrated to @luana@wetdry.world 🏳️🌈🎃🇧🇷Luana🇧🇷🎃🏳️🌈 • • •Zeewater
in reply to Danger mouse • • •And suddenly everything makes so much more sense
Miss Tery
in reply to Danger mouse • • •Mycotropic
in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •Not kids. That's not where the 10 minutes past 11 language is used as far as I know.
It's just a weird meme.
Sabella
in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •Vincarsi
in reply to Sabella • • •Sabella
in reply to Vincarsi • • •I know this is entirely The Point just. damn.
Vincarsi
in reply to Sabella • • •TJ 🏳️🌈
in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •@actuallyautistic
That instruction should have been more specific. Analog would have been a nice bit of information about the desired clock. I hope some of the students argued about missing the question.
Elizabeth
in reply to Dorgaldir🇧🇪 • • •Zumbador
in reply to Elizabeth • • •@Elizabeth3
The question writer meant the answer to be an analogue clock, not a digital one.
Elizabeth
in reply to Zumbador • • •PossiblyAutistic
in reply to apm77 • • •Miss Tery
in reply to PossiblyAutistic • • •Laberpferd
in reply to Danger mouse • • •@wakame
In germany also known as "Sei nicht dauernd so ein Querulant" which i hope i can translate approcimately as "Dont be always someone who think outside of how you are supposed to do"
@Jobob @Tooden @alstonvicar @zyd @miss__Tery @dorgaldir @actuallyautistic
Laberpferd
in reply to Shufei 🫠 • • •@Shufei
Luckily i had only a few of these teachers, but also some amazing good ones
About similar tests, i get sometimes the impression that the true intention was to test if a person is smart, for the definition of "smart" that they can
- correctly identify the context
- extrapolate what is really wanted versus following what was literally asked
and
- solve it like a "normal" person is supposed to interact well with society
@woozle @alstonvicar @zyd @miss__Tery @dorgaldir @actuallyautistic
Woozle Hypertwin
in reply to Laberpferd • • •Yep. The phrase "the Bell Curve mentality" comes to mind -- testing for "intelligence", by which they mean cultural similarity to the tester...