Maybe I should pin a post or add it to the description or something that I'm Jewish Anti-Zionist and don't tolerate the bullshit "criticism of Israel's war crimes is antisemitism" narrative...
Yeah... I think I'm going to add that to the description, because if someone is going to defederate because they think the Israeli government is synonymous with the entire Jewish people, or think they can just conveniently ignore war crimes and colonialism because people on the other side have also done bad things...
Hell, I'll even tag myself in #fediblock if people want to take the trash out for me.
Oh wait, already did... maybe I need to make it more prevalent?
(Edited as based on a reply it was far too easily misread. Previously said "Admin is a Jew" and it never dawned on me that someone could think it meant the admin of the zionist server rather than myself)
i mean this is literally just saying the quiet part out loud isn't it. "blocking this server because the admin is a Jew... err, a Zionist."
amazing that they then have the gall to put a little asterisk next to racism and explain that they don't tolerate dogwhistles. apparently foghorns are okay though.
@Psy Chuan :therian: okay, that definitely needs clarification and I hadn't realized... fixing that now. "admin is a Jew" is talking about myself, not the server being blocked.
Not a Zionist, but fairly sure Zionists also acknowledge that Israel has committed lots of war crimes and atrocities.
Obviously your server your rules, but I have found no matter how strenuously you tell people otherwise, people will label you a Zionist as soon as they find your views on Israel politically inconvenient.
I just feel that the people who most need to see that don't read bios and pinned posts.
@raf 🟣 I mean I'm not taking the angle of "don't you dare call me a zionist" but rather that from my side of things modern zionism, especially in the US equates to a fervent belief that Israel is synonymous with Judaism and any criticism of Israel is antisemitic.
This kicked off especially from the fediblock post in which someone was rallying against the EndAntisemitism account for it's labeling of any criticism of Israel's military action in Gaza as antisemitic and the ensuing accusations.
While I think the fediblock post was poorly handled, I do agree with the fundamentals underneath that it's not remotely acceptable to label criticism of the Israeli government to be inherently antisemitic.
Mostly, I'm just cranky and ranting. I'm not worried about being called a Zionist at any point... only time it can maybe happen with my views is if I'm talking to someone who is advocating the immediate abrupt abolition of the country.
As the person who operates the EndAntisemitism account, I feel what it does and how it operates was grossly mischaracterised.
I literally label every post with why I think it's antisemitism. NONE of the reasons are about the military actions taken by the IDF. I stress repeatedly that if a reader disagrees with the report, they can just ignore it.
I criticise the Israeli govt regularly both publicly and privately. But the idea that no criticism of the Israeli government can be antisemitic is absurd and nonsensical.
We used to be mufos so I feel you should have some sense of where I stand on all this bullshit. We live in a world where Ilan Pappe and Norm Finkelstein have both been called Zionists. No one is immune from being called a Zionist and harassed shortly afterwards.
Since you're the one running the account I do think it's lacking in detail on those particular callouts then.
To be clear, I've only blocked one person in all of this and that was only a personal block rather than a server block.
I will admit to unfollowing you but there's no spite, we're just somewhat different in values there (ie. we draw the line in different places) and it's less about who you are as a person and really just more about what shows up in my feed (ie. posts you comment on, etc where too much of what was showing up in my feed related to your activity is just on the other side of the line from me)
To be clear, you don't have to justify unfollowing. I'm just more saying we are likely not all the different.
I only have 500 characters on that account and the label set is restricted. So there is some shorthand. When I say "Holocaust inversion" I mean comparing what some Jews are doing to the Holocaust. When I say "Nazi inversion" I mean comparing Jews to Nazis.
Some people don't think that constitutes antisemitism. Some do. I'd like to think people can talk about the atrocities in Gaza without mentioning Hitler and Auschwitz, mostly because the vast majority of people on the network do just that.
I am constantly refining and raising my standards, and I already put in way more effort into each of my reports than most Fediblocks I've seen.
You say those callouts, but Ned did not point to a single callout. And ignored all requests made of him to link directly to a single problematic one.
@raf 🟣 Perhaps in the the description of your account make a note along the lines of "if it's a disputed topic, we err on the side of reporting so that you can make the decision yourself"
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(Edited as based on a reply it was far too easily misread. Previously said "Admin is a Jew" and it never dawned on me that someone could think it meant the admin of the zionist server rather than myself)
Psy Chuan :therian:
in reply to Shiri Bailem • • •i mean this is literally just saying the quiet part out loud isn't it. "blocking this server because the admin is a Jew... err, a Zionist."
amazing that they then have the gall to put a little asterisk next to racism and explain that they don't tolerate dogwhistles. apparently foghorns are okay though.
Shiri Bailem
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in reply to Shiri Bailem • • •Not a Zionist, but fairly sure Zionists also acknowledge that Israel has committed lots of war crimes and atrocities.
Obviously your server your rules, but I have found no matter how strenuously you tell people otherwise, people will label you a Zionist as soon as they find your views on Israel politically inconvenient.
I just feel that the people who most need to see that don't read bios and pinned posts.
Shiri Bailem
in reply to ראַף 🟣 • •@raf 🟣 I mean I'm not taking the angle of "don't you dare call me a zionist" but rather that from my side of things modern zionism, especially in the US equates to a fervent belief that Israel is synonymous with Judaism and any criticism of Israel is antisemitic.
This kicked off especially from the fediblock post in which someone was rallying against the EndAntisemitism account for it's labeling of any criticism of Israel's military action in Gaza as antisemitic and the ensuing accusations.
While I think the fediblock post was poorly handled, I do agree with the fundamentals underneath that it's not remotely acceptable to label criticism of the Israeli government to be inherently antisemitic.
Mostly, I'm just cranky and ranting. I'm not worried about being called a Zionist at any point... only time it can maybe happen with my views is if I'm talking to someone who is advocating the immediate abrupt abolition of the country.
ראַף 🟣
in reply to Shiri Bailem • • •As the person who operates the EndAntisemitism account, I feel what it does and how it operates was grossly mischaracterised.
I literally label every post with why I think it's antisemitism. NONE of the reasons are about the military actions taken by the IDF. I stress repeatedly that if a reader disagrees with the report, they can just ignore it.
I criticise the Israeli govt regularly both publicly and privately. But the idea that no criticism of the Israeli government can be antisemitic is absurd and nonsensical.
We used to be mufos so I feel you should have some sense of where I stand on all this bullshit. We live in a world where Ilan Pappe and Norm Finkelstein have both been called Zionists. No one is immune from being called a Zionist and harassed shortly afterwards.
Shiri Bailem
in reply to ראַף 🟣 • •@raf 🟣 Mufos?
Since you're the one running the account I do think it's lacking in detail on those particular callouts then.
To be clear, I've only blocked one person in all of this and that was only a personal block rather than a server block.
I will admit to unfollowing you but there's no spite, we're just somewhat different in values there (ie. we draw the line in different places) and it's less about who you are as a person and really just more about what shows up in my feed (ie. posts you comment on, etc where too much of what was showing up in my feed related to your activity is just on the other side of the line from me)
ראַף 🟣
in reply to Shiri Bailem • • •To be clear, you don't have to justify unfollowing. I'm just more saying we are likely not all the different.
I only have 500 characters on that account and the label set is restricted. So there is some shorthand. When I say "Holocaust inversion" I mean comparing what some Jews are doing to the Holocaust. When I say "Nazi inversion" I mean comparing Jews to Nazis.
Some people don't think that constitutes antisemitism. Some do. I'd like to think people can talk about the atrocities in Gaza without mentioning Hitler and Auschwitz, mostly because the vast majority of people on the network do just that.
I am constantly refining and raising my standards, and I already put in way more effort into each of my reports than most Fediblocks I've seen.
You say those callouts, but Ned did not point to a single callout. And ignored all requests made of him to link directly to a single problematic one.
Shiri Bailem
in reply to ראַף 🟣 • •@raf 🟣 Perhaps in the the description of your account make a note along the lines of "if it's a disputed topic, we err on the side of reporting so that you can make the decision yourself"
I think that clears the air alot
ראַף 🟣
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