@wboucek @mekka okereke :verified: @Mastodon Migration I can pretty much guarantee no on that front.

Safe spaces are separate from the big mainstream servers. Those servers are typically still white centric, and take mild stances on bigotry (mild meaning they moderate the blatant cases, but subtle cases that aren't readily apparently to anyone outside the minority are typically dismissed).

I won't even pretend my own instance is an ideal safe space for that. I'll absolutely act on those happening on my own instance, but I won't defederate for it. There are instances that I know of that might be good places for that, but as someone who is definitely very white I can't vouch for any personally.

@wboucek @mekka okereke :verified: @Mastodon Migration the important thing is allyship, while I may be white I'm also trans and jewish and can speak to the impact of allyship on those statuses.

The biggest issue I've seen here on AP is a demand for ideological and "cultural" purity. Far too many people and instances harass others for not conforming or for perceived failures (look up the story of how Wil Wheaton got run off Mastodon because of some old already addressed shit).

I've been in arguments with people who are upset at the idea of Mastodon/AP growing in popularity because it'll threaten their "culture" (this is one of the big factors behind the anti-meta pact for people pre-blocking threads). This means when a POC community tries to migrate their support systems over to Mastodon, they're often seen as a threat, and then we accuse them of being Nazis for not moving despite being harassed.

On top of that we have a lot of leftist infighting unleashed here where people are quick to call another fascist for not adhering to their specific variety of leftist political philosophy.

And last but not least a tendency for demanding accomodations while not giving accomodations (ie. harassing people for not putting in image descriptions rather than just replying to them with a description, because adding those descriptions takes work that people don't always have the energy or capacities for).

@wboucek @mekka okereke :verified: @Mastodon Migration most of it isn't notably "extreme", which is why it often flourishes.

It comes from identity mechanisms. Many leftists make the mistake of identifying themselves as good and stop questioning it, so when something simple they thought was progressive and good turns out to be complicated they ultimately balk at it.

No matter how decent a person you are, we all love and prefer simplicity and neat stories... the challenge is reminding yourself constantly that the world isn't simple and doesn't usually arrange itself into a clean story.

I mentioned one recent argument I had where people tried to argue that anyone still on Twitter is a Nazi by association, based on the old saying "If you see a table with 1 nazi and 9 other people, you see a table with 10 nazis".

They of course refused to accept that the original saying has nuance (a major international communications platform is a very different thing from a table...), and they also pointedly refused to accept that anyone had a need for the twitter communities and couldn't just jump to activitypub trivially.

And they argued with a Jew (myself) on what was or wasn't a red flag of a likely Nazi.