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I'm sick and tired of AP-fedi bullshit...

All the constant of self absorbed people who are convinced that the ideal network is one hostile to regular people and considers bullshit ideological purity a higher priority than actual connection or accessibility...

I'm seriously considering just shutting down this server and moving to Bluesky proper because apparently a massive corporate network has a lower self-absorbed douche quotient than here...

I desperately don't want to be stuck on another fucking corp network destined for enshittification... but why fucking bother when every single effort to make AP fedi more accessible is met by mass hostility of people who are terrified that it'll become less of a social clique catering to their egos...

Seriously, AP-Fedi is democratically self-enshittifying...

in reply to Shiri Bailem

@Cory Doctorow honestly, just curious what your thoughts are... I know you favor AP and pretty much for all the same reasons I do... but what about things like the hostility to any large entity connection, any large migration of users, bridges, and basically any effort to open up things so people can experience less friction in their connections when they join (ie. being able to just choose AP-Fedi platform over a place like Bluesky and not having to split their friendgroup because they picked one or the other...)

Like I feel like features are enshittified here by users who believe that the fediverse must conform to their ideals, that all new users even on servers other than theirs must bend to their expectations. Hell, the fact that there are many who will literally tell you they're actively against the network growing and they work hard to sabotage anything that contributes toward growth...

I know it's not quite the right usage of the word, but frankly it feels like a worse version than the corporate bullshit... fucking me over for profit honestly starts to feel better than fucking me over because of a demand for social control and ideological purity...

in reply to Shiri Bailem

@pluralistic I don't think you can create a place according to your ideology of carte blanche openness without implying an equal amount of hostility. I'll take the fedi brand of hostility any day. People having great ideologies is attractive to me. Expecting everyone to love me is delusional IMO.
in reply to rood

@rood @Cory Doctorow I don't expect people to love me, and it's not carte blanche... it's just an overwhelming amount of mass hostility to regular people being able to join.

Like the Bluesky bridge is the biggest example to me, the guy got dogpiled hard when he started talking about it even though he was building it using the same methodology of all other bridges pretty much as long as there have been bridges. He was outright bullied into making the bridge drastically worse by making it opt-in only... and all those people who dogpiled him? all those servers blocked it anyways because they weren't going to be happy either way... so the bridge became drastically worse for the people who wanted to use it and the people were upset weren't affected either way.

And their primary complaint the whole time? Their privacy... of their public fucking posts on a federated network. It's like putting a sign in your yard and getting pissed that someone driving by could see it.

So for me it's like pulling teeth to connect with my friends and family who went with Bluesky because of a bunch of jackasses who were never going to be affected by the whole situation anyway. And people I try to convince to join the fediverse? Bridge is basically useless as an accessibility tool... they go to Bluesky because that's where other people went and the bridge is a useless argument.

There's having differences of opinion, and then there's mass open hostility.

in reply to Shiri Bailem

@Cory Doctorow @rood all I want is to just be able to not be fucking isolated from my friends and family and at the same time not be under the thumb of a major corporation.

I FUCKING HATE FACEBOOK AND ALL THE CORPORATE NETWORKS but they're infinitely more worthwhile because THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE ARE.

And any effort to get people out is met with open and broad hostility like the fucking fedipact bullshit.

in reply to Shiri Bailem

@Cory Doctorow @rood also ftr, this is brought on by someone judging people still on facebook as supporting fascism... someone I know is one of those server ops blocking bridges and thus making it harder for people to leave fucking facebook...
in reply to Shiri Bailem

@rood

I think it's fair to have strong ideas about design, and also to have aesthetic preferences for certain affordances, but the problem comes when people mistake these consumption choices for being matters of ideological significance.

It's the neoliberal fetish for personal politics, curdling in on itself:

@rood
in reply to Cory Doctorow

*All those people having fun on Bsky are making bad consumption choices, and moreover, making good consumption choices requires them to have the same aesthetics as me. I may be a humanist, but people who make bad consumption choices due to their poor aesthetics are sabotaging our only hope of making things better (because things only get better as the result of aggregated individual consumption choices, not because of regulation or policy or power or politics) so they are the enemy.*
in reply to Cory Doctorow

I think the answer to Bluesky being a fun place at risk of corporate sabotage is to remove that risk (by making Bluesky federation and bridging real), not by convincing people that they don't really like Bluesky and they should use the Fediverse instead.

More on this here:

pluralistic.net/2025/01/23/def…

in reply to Cory Doctorow

@Cory Doctorow thank you so very much for replying, I really look up to you and your voice on topics, plus I know alot of people on the fediverse respect you... so it's really affirming while I'm in a mini-meltdown over the whole situation.

It's been really really hard lately being a disabled trans-woman in Texas whose disabilities keep her very socially isolated. And it's so painful and hard to push for better and seeing people rally behind "You're a fascist if you don't cut off your friends and family and everything that gives you a reason to live"... like I run my own server here because I believe in it that much...

So thank you very much for making me feel a little less alone.

PS: with the way things are these days, with all the fascism and likely holocaust 2 I'm constantly recommending Little Brother as an accessible introduction to secure connection and opsec.

in reply to Shiri Bailem

Thank you very much for getting my book to others. I am so sorry you're going through this.