@deborahh I always feel reluctant to bother the author directly. But, $35 per paper gets expensive very quickly if you are doing any sort of serious research.
@jillL @deborahh I contacted scientists and documentarians on Twitter all the time. They let me pick their brains and always seemed happy to talk.
I would contact heads of research and libraries at fancy universities for information I couldnt find. They would point me in the right direction and sometimes even get all excited about it too.
@jillL @deborahh they generally get excited that someone outside their field cares enough to want to read their paper. But there are also pirate sites like sci-hub that you can use without feeling guilty, now you know where the journal fees are really going
I’ve had academics print up and internationally mail me copies of rare unpublished manuscripts for free. They get SO stoked when the general public asks them questions y’all like don’t even know if you haven’t done it. They got into the profession to share knowledge! Most of them would actually way rather talk to random folks who are highly interested in the subject than lecture to bored 18 year olds.
I can't speak for them, but a lot of humanities profs are not super technical, especially the over-sixty crowd.
There's no rule against sharing our work. It's not worth enough money for anyone to care. I mean, it's only the most advanced knowledge we've come up with this far. It's not an episode of the Frasier reboot or something. :)
@jillL @deborahh In the old days authors would get a load of paper copies of the paper and would send them out to anyone who requested it. Not sure what the practice is now as I haven't published for a while.
The benefit to the author is that it increases the possibility of their work being cited.
Absolutely do ask the author for a copy.
I occasionally get asked for copies of papers and am happy to send out if I have any copies of a particular one left.
@deborahh nope. Moreover, reviewers (who actually make the scientific paper something different from a blog post) are also not paid. Scienitific journals are probably the most prominent and unknown example of a modern monopoly.
@deborahh we get no money from publishing or conference presentations, and we often have to pay publishers and always have to pay for conferences. ☹️ yes, please. Ask us for copies of our articles.
If a reader asks for a copy of one of your paywalled articles, by all means send one by email. But at the same time, deposit a copy in an #OpenAccess #repository (#GreenOA). That will help all who need access, not just the tiny subset willing to hunt you down, write, and ask.
Not all authors have the rights to do this. But many authors have them without realizing it, and in principle all authors could have them going forward. http://bit.ly/how-oa
Plus you can often make new friends who actually know stuff about stuff you like to know about. Having mailed back more than a few papers in my time, I can also attest the feeling goes both ways! 😌
Later I said, hey, I could run httpd on our utility Irix server and post what I could as these newfangled pdf files. The impact on citations was almost immediate!
@teledyn I guess its time to change Internet channels. This one sucks.
Anything can be deleted. I mean the WHOLE Stephen Colbert show was, or is soon to be deleted. (The satirical Comedy Central program The Colbert Report that ran from 2005 to 2014.)
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in reply to Rusty Bertrand • • •I always assumed the author got some of that, so I should pay and support them.
But that arrangement - it's shameful
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I contacted scientists and documentarians on Twitter all the time. They let me pick their brains and always seemed happy to talk.
I would contact heads of research and libraries at fancy universities for information I couldnt find. They would point me in the right direction and sometimes even get all excited about it too.
People like to talk about their specialties.
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You're not bothering them, you're bothering anyone who may be supervising them lol
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in reply to Deborah Hartmann Preuss, pcc 🇨🇦 • • •I can't speak for them, but a lot of humanities profs are not super technical, especially the over-sixty crowd.
There's no rule against sharing our work. It's not worth enough money for anyone to care. I mean, it's only the most advanced knowledge we've come up with this far. It's not an episode of the Frasier reboot or something. :)
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In the old days authors would get a load of paper copies of the paper and would send them out to anyone who requested it.
Not sure what the practice is now as I haven't published for a while.
The benefit to the author is that it increases the possibility of their work being cited.
Absolutely do ask the author for a copy.
I occasionally get asked for copies of papers and am happy to send out if I have any copies of a particular one left.
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in reply to Deborah Hartmann Preuss, pcc 🇨🇦 • • •@deborahh I was on a paper published in Nature last year.
For making the PDF open-access on its website rather than charging people to read it, Nature asked the lead author to write a check for $11,000.
This is why astronomers have the arXiv open preprint server instead.
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If a reader asks for a copy of one of your paywalled articles, by all means send one by email. But at the same time, deposit a copy in an #OpenAccess #repository (#GreenOA). That will help all who need access, not just the tiny subset willing to hunt you down, write, and ask.
Not all authors have the rights to do this. But many authors have them without realizing it, and in principle all authors could have them going forward.
http://bit.ly/how-oa
How to make your own work open access - Harvard Open Access Project
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I guess its time to change Internet channels. This one sucks.
Anything can be deleted. I mean the WHOLE Stephen Colbert show was, or is soon to be deleted. (The satirical Comedy Central program The Colbert Report that ran from 2005 to 2014.)
Vice deleted whole archives when it was bought.
Dark ages.
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